Paradox - Estate Tax and Reparations

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
What could be more racist then to say its "funny" if Race A uses racial slurs towards Race B but its a "hate-crime" if Race B does it to Race A.

Burning a cross on your lawn, killing me for being white, etc. I can think of plenty of things that are far more racist than thinking that words have different meanings in different racial contexts. ****** isn't simply an insult. The purpose of the word it to put someone in their place. That some Black people have appropriated the word for their own ends means little.

Chris Rock does this routine. "White people ask, 'Why can't I say it?' Why do you want to say it?" Why the hell are you offended no one wants you to say an evil word? Get over it, move on, live your life instead of worrying about what Black people can say and what you shouldn't say.

Black folks shouldn't call me 'honky.' Guess what, I don't care. It doesn't hurt me. It doesn't put me in my place. It carries no historical connetations of night riders, being castrated, raped, flayed, hung, or burned alive because of my skin. I'm never gonna lose my job cuz someone thinks I'm some dumb cracker. They have no power over me.

As for Dr. King's quote, you might want to consider that in the last year of his life, he embarked on a campaign for reparations, aka, the Poor People's Campaign.

Yes, people should be judged on the content of their character. What happens when they aren't? How are you going to remedy that? How are you going to prove that someone was discriminated against on the basis of race? It's not so easy. Saying that AA should be abolished is effectively saying, we should do nothing to combat racism, uness it's against white people.

How do you compensate someone for growing up in a neighborhood racism built? How do you take into consideration that because of those neighborhoods, some people had to go to inferior schools, and thus can't compete for higher education and job spots with the people who fled those neighborhoods for the suburbs? How do you stop the legacy of past racism from being inherited by new generations? Or do you just say, what's past is past, we don't do that anymore, get over it?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Deity Dude

Like most people who think they aren't racist, they ignore Jim Crow, America's apartheid (actually, apartheid was based on Jim Crow). It was only Forty years ago that our parents generation oppressed Black people in this country, legally. I hope you don't suggest that there is no one over forty alive today.

You might find this hard to believe, but I don't support Jim Crow laws or Apartheid

Ignoring something presupposes non-support. It's a logical impossibility to support something you ignore. Therefore, I could not possibly have been accusing you of supporting something if I was accusing you of ignoring it.

[Q Classic]

if i buy stock in a company, and the company is sued for something it did before i owned the stock i still suffer.

When you become a citizen of the US you take a share in the assets of the US (from federal lands to "the glorious heritage of liberty) and in its liabilities (from Treasury bonds, to tort liabilities)

i understand that argument; we'll have to disagree. the state is not a company; the state is the law, while a company is subject to law.

that said:

as for the mechanics of it: who will get what? will a person who is a second-generation or third-generation immigrant from, say, gabon be given reparations based on skin-color? even if their forefathers came of their own free will, without any coercion, to make a life for themselves here? or what about a person who's 1/32nd black on his grandfather's side? what if his grandmother and grandfather were on different sides of the master-slave relationship? will his or her reparations be reduced?

is there a value to a certain quantity of black blood? tell me, is it $10000 for every 1/16th ?
how far is that from the slave market that america still grieves over?

[Q Classic]

and why is it that whenever someone comes out against something like this or affirmative action, they're almost immediately branded as a racist or someone who's been blinded and bought into the racist structure of the nation?

racism isn't the root of everything.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
and why is it . . .

Because it's an argument to perpetuate the effects of racism by refusing to do anything.

[Verto]

I wonder if anyone will give reparations to all those white folk who didn't get into their college of choice because of affirmative action.

[Japher]

Don't be silly Verto, white people are suppose to take their sheit and like it... Tolerance is only for those with a low melanin count...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Verto
I wonder if anyone will give reparations to all those white folk who didn't get into their college of choice because of affirmative action.

How many would that be?

[Verto]

Since I'm Mormon, I think I am entitled to reparations for the land, property, etc that was stolen from the Mormons in Nauvoo, Independence, Far West, etc. Even though I was never personally tarred and feathered, I am entitled to money.

In fact, on top of that, I think I need to seek some kind of monetary damage for all the emotional distress caused by the Missouri and Illinois government's actions toward my people.

[Q Classic]

Because it's an argument to perpetuate the effects of racism by refusing to do anything.

why? black people do have it rough. but is it really because of their slavery?
sure, the government broke its promises. sure the jim crow laws were bad. sure there were racists in power.
but is the fact that a black person in the south side who chooses to follow the easier path of allowing the conditions to drive them, rather than the other way around, is that because of racism?

[Verto]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


How many would that be?

More than the number of people demanding reparations who actually felt the oppression of slavery.

[Japher]

Since I'm Mormon, I think I am entitled to reparations for the land, property, etc that was stolen from the Mormons in Nauvoo, Independence, Far West, etc.

And who did the mormons steal it from?

Ya know, Commrad Tassadar is mormon too. How 'bout that? It's like were being over ran by teenage boys on bikes!!!

[Q Classic]

on that note, i hardly think that merely granting the native peoples casino rights makes up for what happened to them.

some of them still exist in squalor. would they and should they get anything?

[Verto]

Originally posted by Japher


And who did the mormons steal it from?

From the previous owners, using our wicked black magic called money. We're a crafty bunch.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
would they and should they get anything?

Yes, we should provide them with firearms and munition and give them a second chance.

Indian Wars II: This Time, It's For Real.