Paradox - Estate Tax and Reparations

[MichaeltheGreat]

for Agathon:

It might be worth paying to have you shipped to France...

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

If the company committed the wrong 150 years ago and the wronged party is not longer around, I don't think it would be on the hook for anything, legally.

Um... the New Zealand government is still on the hook for Maori land confiscations 150 years ago. And the Maoris are still here and still pissed off. Indeed our national founding document is a recognition of Maori rights in perpetuity.

I guess when you've lived in a country where this sort of problem has occurred and ways of dealing with it are already in place, it isn't so much of a problem.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
for Agathon:

It might be worth paying to have you shipped to France...

I'll settle for Montreal.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
Is still mean. At least Speers bothered to look up the root of the word instead of taking some "non-expert" opinion poll.

Probably doesn't mean definately. And personally I don't buy it. Honkey instead of Hunyak? The slight similarity in words isn't proof. It makes little sense that Black people would refer to all whites as Hungargians, an extremely small group of white people in the US. It's not impossible, but it jst doesn't strike me as likely.

[GePap]

I'm just glad Berz used the correct name and not that ridiculous "death tax" name.

[Deity Dude]

I wonder why it's OK to say "honky" but not the n-word that looks alot like the country Niger.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
I wonder why it's OK to say "honky" but not the n-word that looks alot like the country Niger.

Who said it's okay?

[Al B. Sure!]

When I've asked Blacks folks about it, its because we sound funny.

speak for yourself...

and any event, what the hell kind of proff is this? I've asked Black folks about it... do you realize how incredibly racist you sound? I've asked Black folks... god damn you're a ****ing racist.

It makes little sense that Black people would refer to all whites as Hungargians, an extremely small group of white people in the US.

why did medieval Arabs refer to all Europeans as Franks (French)? Asians are all Chinese... Ethiopian, Nubian, and Mandingo are synonymous with African...

[Agathon]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Who said it's okay?

Well I don't care and I don't know anyone who sincerely does.

Then again I always refer to the German football team as "The Huns" so I'm probably just evil.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Albert Speer

I've asked Black folks... god damn you're a ****ing racist.

He said Blacks folks not Black folk, so it's not racist. Only Black folks is racist.

[Deity Dude]

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Who said it's okay?

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Well apolyton for one because it doesnt asterisk it out.

I'm sure the person who used it thinks its OK or he wouldn't have posted it.

But mostly, I havnt seen anyone object to it. I am sure if someone had used the other term in the same context (as a racial slur) they would be deemed a racist by multiple posters and maybe even banned from the site.

I am against all racism. One of the problems in America is we seem only to focus on one form of it. And quite often the proposed solution to that form of racism is another form of racism.

Even if it were possible, what could be more racist then to setup a program where all of Race A (simply because they are Race A) gives Race B money based on an injustice that not one living person has anything to do with.

I thought we were trying to judge people by the content of thier character not the color of thier skin.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
except, see, my grandparents didn't enslave any of the blacks. i wasn't given anything that was stolen. why should i be punished?

if i buy stock in a company, and the company is sued for something it did before i owned the stock i still suffer.

When you become a citizen of the US you take a share in the assets of the US (from federal lands to "the glorious heritage of liberty) and in its liabilities (from Treasury bonds, to tort liabilities)

[Myrddin]

Originally posted by lord of the mark




When you become a citizen of the US you take a share in the assets of the US (from federal lands to "the glorious heritage of liberty) and in its liabilities (from Treasury bonds, to tort liabilities)

Some confusion here between the Government which owns the assets and liabilities, and the People, who just change the government when necessary

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Who said it's okay?

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Well apolyton for one because it doesnt asterisk it out.

Bull****. You'll notice the word bull**** isn't asterisked out. Guess what, there are plenty of words and insults that make it through the censors because there are so damn many of them.

But mostly, I havnt seen anyone object to it. I am sure if someone had used the other term in the same context (as a racial slur) they would be deemed a racist by multiple posters and maybe even banned from the site.

Maybe if we felt insulted by it, we might object. Frankly, it doesn't carry the same epthet as ****** (<--look, not blocked out). The latter word carries with it, when used by whites, inferioty, powerlessness, subhuman, lazy, etc. Honkey? Hell, that just makes me laugh. So does cracker and Mr. Charlie. Hell, I don't even know how that last one is an insult, but it is.

I am against all racism. One of the problems in America is we seem only to focus on one form of it. And quite often the proposed solution to that form of racism is another form of racism.

It seems that you don't really know what racism is. Racism is a system of oppression, not merely discrimination based on race. I don't have to like you, but if I don't have the power to make my dislike of you manifest, it's meaningless.

Even if it were possible, what could be more racist then to setup a program where all of Race A (simply because they are Race A) gives Race B money based on an injustice that not one living person has anything to do with.

Like most people who think they aren't racist, they ignore Jim Crow, America's apartheid (actually, apartheid was based on Jim Crow). It was only Forty years ago that our parents generation oppressed Black people in this country, legally. I hope you don't sugfgest that there is no one over forty alive today.

Anyway, reparations aren't about giving Black folks checks. It's about setting up programs to help them overcome the lasting efects of America's racism.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Maybe if we felt insulted by it, we might object. Frankly, it doesn't carry the same epthet as ****** (<--look, not blocked out). The latter word carries with it, when used by whites, inferioty, powerlessness, subhuman, lazy, etc. Honkey? Hell, that just makes me laugh. So does cracker and Mr. Charlie. Hell, I don't even know how that last one is an insult, but it is.

First of all, who is the"we" you refer too. Just because you read one connotation into one word and a different one into another word doesn't mean it is so.

This is the type of the thing you and I will always disagree about:

I think all racial slurs are wrong and should be equally condemned or ignored or maybe even laughed at depending on the context.

You think certain ones are "funny" and others are criminal no matter what. You make this decision based soley on the race of the person making the insult and the person receiving it.

What could be more racist then to say its "funny" if Race A uses racial slurs towards Race B but its a "hate-crime" if Race B does it to Race A.

It seems that you don't really know what racism is. Racism is a system of oppression, not merely discrimination based on race. I don't have to like you, but if I don't have the power to make my dislike of you manifest, it's meaningless.

I think your definition is one of many definitions and would best be described as "institutionalized racism"

If a person of RACE A walked around with a sign that read "ALL PERSONS OF RACE B SHOULD DIE" I'm sure that most would agree that

a) That person was probably a racist

even though

b) He probably couldn't manifest his feelings towards RACE B

You would probably say it depended on the race of the signholder.

Like most people who think they aren't racist, they ignore Jim Crow, America's apartheid (actually, apartheid was based on Jim Crow). It was only Forty years ago that our parents generation oppressed Black people in this country, legally. I hope you don't sugfgest that there is no one over forty alive today.

Anyway, reparations aren't about giving Black folks checks. It's about setting up programs to help them overcome the lasting efects of America's racism.

You might find this hard to believe, but I don't support Jim Crow laws or Apartheid. On the contrary I am opposed to them. I am opposed because the theory behind those laws is that a person's race should be used as a determining factor in how that person is treated. I prefer a color-blind society where a person's race is as important as thier eye-color.

You seem to want to put people into groups. Then you want to be outraged when one group attempts to dominate the other. Then you want to solve the problem by taking from one group and giving to the other. Then you wonder why the two groups might have problems getting along.

I think I'd rather judge people as the individuals they are and not by thier race or whatever other group you decide to put them in.

Put another way, and much more eloquent then I ever could, Judge a man by the content of his character not the color of his skin.

Anyways, I'm sure now you'll tell me how your decision-making based on race isn't racism and that my total indifference to a person's race is racist.