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  • #16
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


    Bush has yet to tack back to the center. He's starting to make some campaign promises to go centerwards again, but his promises have the same worth as a $3 bill.
    No moreso than the claims of the elite 8.

    Funny no matter who is elected they will betray their core support group as they adopt centrist policies.
    Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; January 19, 2004, 12:18.
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JohnT
      Eh, you're pretty average, Sava.
      America is in deep trouble then...
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #18
        OTOH, once in office the same leftist or rightist pandering candidates shift to centrist policies. Case in point Clinton and Bush. And for those who think Bush ultra-right one only need look at the growth of government and tarrif policy.
        economically, he's ultra-right... or corporatist... in terms of social policy, he's authoritarian. The growth of government has little to do with the normal left-right comparisons on economics (which is why I hate the LINEAR MODEL!).

        There's nothing "conservative" about Dubya... he's a radical in his use of the military in foreign policy, and he's extremely authoritarian in his views on abortion, gays, and "security". True "conservatives" ideals are in extreme contrast to the people who call themselves conservatives today.

        Conversely, many so called "liberals" aren't very liberal at all. After 8 years of Clinton, the drug war is as intense as ever, there was little social progress as wealth continued to trickle up... Clinton's not a liberal, Dubya isn't a conservative.

        I really wish we could have some better descriptive norms in terms of politics. This "left/right" crap dumbs the process down and is detrimental to informing people about the parties or candidates they support.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #19
          I asumed my comment would spur some anti Bush hating sentiments. Glad to see I wasn't disappointed.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
            I asumed my comment would spur some anti Bush hating sentiments. Glad to see I wasn't disappointed.
            how is what I said "antiBush hating"...

            I merely described Bush on the political spectrum... and BTW, if it was "anti-Bush hating", I would be someone like Rush Limbaugh bashing liberals.
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sava
              economically, he's ultra-right... or corporatist... in terms of social policy, he's authoritarian. The growth of government has little to do with the normal left-right comparisons on economics (which is why I hate the LINEAR MODEL!).

              There's nothing "conservative" about Dubya... he's a radical in his use of the military in foreign policy, and he's extremely authoritarian in his views on abortion, gays, and "security". True "conservatives" ideals are in extreme contrast to the people who call themselves conservatives today.

              Conversely, many so called "liberals" aren't very liberal at all. After 8 years of Clinton, the drug war is as intense as ever, there was little social progress as wealth continued to trickle up... Clinton's not a liberal, Dubya isn't a conservative.

              I really wish we could have some better descriptive norms in terms of politics. This "left/right" crap dumbs the process down and is detrimental to informing people about the parties or candidates they support.
              Except for the part about Dubya being radical in his use of the military - I agree.

              I'm very disappointed in Dubya's economic policies. Government spending has gone up more in 3 years of Dubya than it did in 8 years of Clinton.
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              • #22
                Except for the part about Dubya being radical in his use of the military - I agree.
                I think pre-emption... offensive actions without cause... is radical. It's no different than any other country who has invaded another... **STRUGGLING NO GODWIN LAW HERE**
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sava
                  I think pre-emption... offensive actions without cause... is radical. It's no different than any other country who has invaded another... **STRUGGLING NO GODWIN LAW HERE**
                  So you must view Clinton's use of the military in Kosovo as being radical also.
                  ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                  ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Caligastia


                    So you must view Clinton's use of the military in Kosovo as being radical also.
                    I do...
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sava
                      I do...
                      You get an A+ for consistency then...
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


                        No moreso than the claims of the elite 8.

                        Funny no matter who is elected they will betray their core support group as they adopt centrist policies.
                        Yes, except they will betray their constituency by doing what Georgie did, going right. Georege betray the center by doing the same thing. You know, just once, I'd like to see American politics go left.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                          Yes, except they will betray their constituency by doing what Georgie did, going right. Georege betray the center by doing the same thing. You know, just once, I'd like to see American politics go left.
                          You don't think American politics have gone left in the last 50 years???
                          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                          • #28
                            You're 70 and 40 years too late, Che.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Caligastia


                              You don't think American politics have gone left in the last 50 years???
                              Che is nearing 40, meaning that he probably became politically active/aware around 1980. So he, personally, hasn't seen a Leftward shift in American politics.

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                              • #30
                                Except for the part about Dubya being radical in his use of the military - I agree.

                                I'm very disappointed in Dubya's economic policies.


                                @Sava

                                Politics suk. Let money govern, since it already rules!!!
                                Monkey!!!

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