Israeli vandalises Swedish suicide bomber art

[JCG]

I'm kind of split 50-50...on the one hand, the Israeli guy overreacted, he shoudln't have gone so far...on the other, the Swedes should have at least listened to his concerns and agreed to some sort of a compromise solution (for example, placing an extra disclaimer and/or limiting the time the exhibit would be up, etc.) and thus prevent this from happening.

It wouldn't be outright censorship but actually displaying a reasonable concern for the different (and very serious) reactions that piece of "art" (such a subjective thing) could incite ("free speech" shouldn't imply "freedom from responsibility").

[Edan]

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The museum's artistic director, Thomas Nordanstad, said he had given the artists the go-ahead to create the artwork, and had "hoped it would lead to an artistic dialogue."

The exhibition, entitled "Making a Difference," includes three pieces dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict, all from a pro-Palestinian perspective. Israel Radio reported that a pro-Israel artwork was removed due to a Syrian protest.

This is beginning to stink more and more like a diplomatic setup.

And apparently, the Swedish weren't very, umm, open to artistic dialogue when the murderer of the Swedish Foreign Minister was the subject...



I guess they can dish it, but they can't take it.

[Combat Ingrid]

Israel Radio reported that a pro-Israel artwork was removed due to a Syrian protest

That is apparently some BS that Israel made up. The pro-Israel artwork was part of another exhibition that was cancelled due to a power struggle in the Tensta Art Gallery. The artist will now instead get the opportunity to present two of his works on the same museum as "Snow White"


Btw, I heard on the news that some analysts believe this action was planned by the Israeli government in order to discredit Sweden (and EU in general) as negotiators in middle east. "Hey, even Sweden supports antisemitism now".
It sucks if it's true.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by JCG
I'm kind of split 50-50...on the one hand, the Israeli guy overreacted, he shoudln't have gone so far...on the other, the Swedes should have at least listened to his concerns and agreed to some sort of a compromise solution (for example, placing an extra disclaimer and/or limiting the time the exhibit would be up, etc.) and thus prevent this from happening.

It wouldn't be outright censorship but actually displaying a reasonable concern for the different (and very serious) reactions that piece of "art" (such a subjective thing) could incite ("free speech" shouldn't imply "freedom from responsibility").

That has nothing to do with it. No artist is responsible for erroneous interpretations of his work if he takes the trouble to make it clear what the work is about/means.

In this case the artists were clear that the work was not meant to glorify suicide bombings and that means the Israeli Ambassador was just wrong. It's as bizarre as if I went into the Louvre and destroyed the Mona Lisa because I thought that Leonardo's purpose in the painting was to denigrate women.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid


That is apparently some BS that Israel made up. The pro-Israel artwork was part of another exhibition that was cancelled due to a power struggle in the Tensta Art Gallery. The artist will now instead get the opportunity to present two of his works on the same museum as "Snow White"


Btw, I heard on the news that some analysts believe this action was planned by the Israeli government in order to discredit Sweden (and EU in general) as negotiators in middle east. "Hey, even Sweden supports antisemitism now".
It sucks if it's true.

It's a massive own goal if it is. If the Israeli government is going to unjustifiably call everyone anti-semites then they'll just alienate themselves from the rest of the world.

[laurentius]

They have been doing that for some time now....

[Agathon]

Originally posted by laurentius
They have been doing that for some time now....

I know, but they're so self righteous that they can't see past their own bull****.

[Hurricane]

So, does anybody know if Israel actually asked through proper channels beforehand to have the installation removed? Apparently the Israeli position is that Sweden put that piece of art there just to piss them off.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Hurricane
So, does anybody know if Israel actually asked through proper channels beforehand to have the installation removed? Apparently the Israeli position is that Sweden put that piece of art there just to piss them off.

Yes because everyone in the world has at the forefront of their minds the desire to persecute Israel.

Paranoid fantasists, the lot of them.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Edan


This is beginning to stink more and more like a diplomatic setup.

Yup, the Israeli government sure pulled one over on the Swedes. Good to see you agree.

[dannubis]

Originally posted by Ned
Edan, the Swedes really need to show a little more sensitivity here. Their callousness to the feelings of Israeli's and Jews is simply remarkable. They can no longer focus on the conduct of the ambassador because he has been supported by the government of Israel.

Say whatever you want. If a governement approves of a course of action in which civilian bystanders (of which you do not know wheiter they have anything to do with terrorism) are considered collateral damage when a 'goal' is needed to be taken out, then that governement is nothing else than a bunch of nazist butchers.

In this light i don't see how a country like sweden, which is in every aspect one of the most free countries in the world , has to display sensitivity towards a guy who actually abuses his status as member of the diplomatic corps of this governement.

oh, and btw, my deepest respect goes to that rabbi who dares to walk the road of peace...

[molly bloom]

Yeah, I reckon that crappy old daub 'Guernica' should have been toasted way long ago- it's clearly a biased attack by a Commie simp on the lovable Francoist forces doing their best to bring law and order to Commie simp Republican Spain.

I mean to be fair, that Picasso guy should at least have done a picture of some poor old Spanish nun, about 73 yrs old, being raped by a big lice ridden Russian Kommissar spreading his filthy Commie germs on a bride of God. Anyway, those people killed were just Basques, and some of them are terrorists, so what's the big deal right?

Old adage that suddenly seems apposite:

all art is propaganda, but not all propaganda is art.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Edan

And apparently, the Swedish weren't very, umm, open to artistic dialogue when the murderer of the Swedish Foreign Minister was the subject...

Jesus, did they vandalize it again? What a bunch of children.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Edan
it's really the crazy misguided world thats at fault, not her, because she's really a pure, innocent poor child trying not to be devoured by beasts in a mad mad world."

I don't get this part. Where do you come up with this? I looked at this piece and I thought, that woman is evil.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Edan, I applaud your posts in this thread. They are very insightful and informative on the issue of homicide bombers.

All bombers are homocide bombers. Or should we only reserve that redundism for people who kill themselves at the same time they are killing others?