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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ned
    GePap, I think Dean meant unilateral in that they US should act alone if justice required taking action. I don't think Bush has ever gone that far. I am sure that he would have backed off if he lost Britains supports. I read Dean's position is that we needed to act even if we were alone.
    NO, Bush was very clear that the US was willing to go at it alone, period. Brits or no Brits. Whether he would have acted politically in such a manner? quesitonable.

    Again, Dean has said the US should strive for multilateral action- he has never said that precluded or excluded the posibility of unilateral action if all other means were exhausted. Bush in no way exhausted all means, specially if you take into account the disingenoues arguements he presented the international community. The press present this statement as some proof Dean is flip-floping. Read it carefully and you see it is not. But of course, reading carefully is a lost art. I don;t always read carefully, but at least I try. Sadly, a lot of the press doesn;t even try anymore.
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    • #17
      What is Dean's position, then, on Iraq?

      1) That unilateral action was not justified; or
      2) that multilateral action was still possilble; or
      3) No action was required, and that Saddam should have stayed in power?
      http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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      • #18
        Dean's position is clear

        When intervention is justified

        1) pursue action through the UN or NATO; and
        2) if that fails after resonable attempts, pursue a US lead intervention (with a coalition if one can be formed.)

        So, what is the basis for Dean's criticism of Iraq?
        http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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        • #19


          Dean definetly has a bad case of foot-in-mouth-itus, doesn't he?
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #20
            Well duh -- but try telling Chegitz that.
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            • #21
              Banging my head against walls isn't something I like to do, Mr. Fun.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                Banging my head against walls isn't something I like to do, Mr. Fun.
                If that were the case, wouldn't you have me on ignore?
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #23
                  If Dean's position is that the war to remove Saddam was not justified and not legal, he should call for an immediate restoration of Saddam to power and a pullout of US forces.
                  http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                  • #24
                    I keep saying...if Dean gets the nomination, America is screwed no matter which way it turns.

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                    • #25
                      It would be swell if we could all get behind Kuchinich, but hey, you win some, you lose some.
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                      • #26
                        Yeah, then we could really have a wacko in the White House, ms .
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                          Yeah, then we could really have a wacko in the White House, ms .
                          But the reptilebeings from Planet Zarkon said that their going to vote for him.....
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                            Yeah, then we could really have a wacko in the White House, ms .
                            Wackos are our only hope.
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                            • #29
                              Unfortunetly Perot isn't running.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #30
                                Gephardt gave a speach today in Iowa noting all the inconsistencies between Dean's former positions and his current positions and accused him of at least being insincere.

                                It was the best speech I have ever heard Gephardt make. He does have some passion down there and is not completely boring.
                                http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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