New HOF class for MLB

[Ming]

Only Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley were able to get the 75% of votes needed for the MLB HOF. I really thought that Sandberg would be closer... sigh

2004 Hall of Fame Balloting

Player
Votes
Pct.

Paul Molitor
431
85.18

Dennis Eckersley
421
83.20

Ryne Sandberg
309
61.07

Bruce Sutter
301
59.49

Jim Rice
276
54.54

Andre Dawson
253
50.00

Rich Gossage
206
40.71

Lee Smith
185
36.56

Bert Blyleven
179
35.38

Jack Morris
133
26.28

Steve Garvey
123
24.31

Tommy John
111
21.94

Alan Trammell
70
13.83

Don Mattingly
65
12.85

Dave Concepcion
57
11.26

Dave Parker
53
10.47

Dale Murphy
43
8.50

Keith Hernandez *
22
4.35

Joe Carter *
19
3.75

Fernando Valenzuela *
19
3.75

Dennis Martinez *
16
3.16

Dave Stieb *
7
1.38

Jim Eisenreich *
3
0.59

Jimmy Key *
3
0.59

Doug Drabek *
2
0.40

Kevin Mitchell *
2
0.40

Juan Samuel *
2
0.40

Cecil Fielder *
1
0.20

Randy Myers *
1
0.20

Terry Pendleton *
1
0.20

Danny Darwin *
0
0.00

Bob Tewskbury *
0
0.00

* Dropped from future consideration (failed to receive 5 percent).

[MRT144]

sandberg screwed again!

[Ming]

But at least he is gaining on the magic 75%. If it had dropped, that would be a bad sign.

[Drake Tungsten]

Eckersley

[MRT144]

next year he should get in with dawson, itll be something for the cubs

[Ming]

He deserved it... only the third reliever (I think) to make it in... He was one of the best. I think Sutter no being in is a shame. I figured Molitor and Eck would make it... but I was kind of hoping that Sandberg and Sutter would have better showings.

[Vlad Antlerkov]

Looking ahead to the next few years:

2005: Wade Boggs debuts on the ballot. I predict Boggs gets elected by the BBWAA, and Ron Santo gets elected by the VC. That way, the title of "player most screwed over by the Hall" passes to either Minnie Minoso or Gil Hodges.
2006: Weak debut class. Sandberg and maybe Sutter would get in at this time.
2007: Um... Cal Ripken, Mark McGwire, and Tony Gwynn.
2008: Tim Raines comes onto the ballot. If there's any justice, he SHOULD get in. Sandberg gets in if he hasn't already, otherwise Sutter.
2009: Roger Clemens, Rickey Henderson if both stay retired.

Oh, and we've also learned that Jim Eisenreich has three relatives in the BBWAA. (Sorry.)

[Ted Striker]

what about Pete Rose

[TCO]

I don't know if McGwire will get in. I mean, there was a time when I was sure Rice would get in. But he didn't. Don't know if McGwire will either.

[cinch]

No Joe Carter?

A crime of the first degree!



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[TCO]

he didn't play for an American team.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sandberg will get in... just not now. They work on their own (percieved) timetables of what year a player is 'deserving' to get in.

Though according to a few 'tests' for HOF'ers created by Bill James, he's below the average HOFer (though well above the average HOFer in the HOF Monitor, which judges how likely not how deserving a player is of making it).

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sandbry01.shtml

Black Ink: Batting - 14 (159) (Average HOFer ~ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 134 (120) (Average HOFer ~ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 42.7 (118) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 157.0 (61) (Likely HOFer > 100)


Joe Carter fares worse:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cartejo01.shtml

Black Ink: Batting - 9 (233) (Average HOFer ~ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 103 (200) (Average HOFer ~ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 31.2 (248) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 88.5 (169) (Likely HOFer > 100)

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Too bad Cecil Fielder can't be up for it again...he should be in

[Imran Siddiqui]

Eh... Fielder is a marginal candidate. I wouldn't vote for him in the HOF. His numbers just aren't good enough.

[Brundlefly]

Sandberg and Dawson will get in. Carter was good, but not good enough for HOF.

Phillies traded Sandberg to Cubs for a bag of chips when he was a minor league prospect