Top Ten World Powers

[el freako]

Here's my latest long-term forecasts of GDP (converted using PPPs):

Only the top 5 economies are listed, the number in brackets after the EU is the number of member states and all are listed as a % of the USA:

2000:
United States: 100%
European Union (15): 95%
China: 50%
Japan: 35%
India: 22%

2010:
European Union (25): 102%
United States: 100%
China: 61%
Japan: 32%
India: 29%

2020:
European Union (33): 105%
United States: 100%
China: 72%
India: 38%
Japan: 30%

2030:
European Union (35): 103%
United States: 100%
China: 82%
India: 49%
Japan: 29%

2040:
United States: 100%
European Union (35): 93%
China: 84%
India: 58%
Japan: 26%

2050:
United States: 100%
European Union (35): 87%
China: 87%
India: 67%
Japan: 24%


Let's see if this raises as big a laugh from DanS as davout's

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by el freako
Here's my latest long-term forecasts of GDP (converted using PPPs):

Only the top 5 economies are listed, the number in brackets after the EU is the number of member states and all are listed as a % of the USA:

How about some error margins.

[BeBMan]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by lord of the mark
with all due respect to our gallant British allies, they have sent about one division to the ME, with logistical support from the US, via friendly Kuwait. I assume China could do the same, if they chose. Indeed, by that standard Romania, Bulgaria, Spain, Dominican Republic, etc can all move at least some units around. I assume that was is meant by force projection is the ability to move ones own troops around without logistical support from allies, and where necessary via air drop or amphibious landing without assistance from any local state. UK and France may have that ability, but its not large scale, and not all that politically important.

The point is that the UK and France have proven that they can project their force, but in case of China we rely on speculations.

Yup, China lost to NVA, who, at the time, were considered among the best infantry in the world. And who relied on the economic and logistic support of the SU, a superpower. The threat presented by China is a principle motive for VN's reconciliation with the US, yet one more example of Chinas importance in the Pacific sphere.

It was a very short campaign, so I think outside support hadn´t played the big role there. The main reason for the Chinese failure were the bad preparations on their side. IIRC they did not even use airpower to support the attack.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by C0ckney
oliver, don't take boris seriously, you know he's wrong, i know he's wrong, everybody else knows he's wrong, so there's no need to respond to the rubbish he writes

I've had some courses on European politics 1960-1990, and the picture I got from that is that France and Germany have more influence in the EU than Britain. I might be wrong, but I'm willing to hear you- if only you bother to say something.

France has an history of being *****y with the US since De Gaulle, and I see their influence in leading subtle anti-US (only to the extent that both are part of NATO) diplomacy as more important than Britain being US' dog.

[Fake Boris]

Really, who cares if China can't project force- yet?

LOTM is right. And BTW, China today has nothing to do with China 1979. They now have the second military budget in the world, they are building spaceships and ICBMs, and everyone fears them. They are too strong to be challenged in their own strategic area- Asia, and within a 10-15 years timeframe they could get the power to project their force, if they felt like it is useful.

In fact, I suspect America is letting NKorea being nasty because they need SKorea and Japan. And not because Pyongyang is a real threat, mind you.

China is definitely the #2 world power. The EU is a paper tiger. China is a baby tiger.

[BeBMan]

LOTM is right. And BTW, China today has nothing to do with China 1979. They now have the second military budget in the world, they are building spaceships and ICBMs, and everyone fears them.

Oh yes, in case of the first SARS crisis they proved their ability to react quickly very well...Everyone fears that....

[Joseph]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Huh?

a) California is a lot lower than 6. Closer to 10 (its economy is a similar size to that of Canada)
b) It doesn't count as #6 because it's not a separate country.

The world's largest economies (in order, and guessing)

1) USA
2) China
3) Japan
4) India
5) Germany
6) France
7) Russia
8) Italy
9) Canada (?) Korea (?)

You might wish is was lower, however you should watch the news. We are number 6 in the world, so get over it.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
GROSS PRODUCT IN YEAR 2001
(billions of dollars)
1 United States $10,171
2 Japan 4,245
3 Germany 1,874
4 United Kingdom 1,406
CALIFORNIA 1,392
5 France 1,303
6 China 1,159
7 Italy 1,091
8 Canada 677
9 Mexico 618
10 Spain 577

http://commerce.ca.gov/ttca/pdfs/detail/ersi/GSP_Ranking.pdf

my work here is done

I was wrong, We are number 5 instead. California can kick some a$$.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Well, there may be a mistake.

Everyone knows that France GDP is ~24,000$ per capita.
US GDP is ~$30,000$ per capita.

France pop: ~60 millions
California pop: ~ 30 millions.

I'm quite sure there must be a mistake somewhere, and not in my estimates.

35 last census, not counting the illegal. The state said stand up and be counted, and we will not sent you home. The illegal stood up and said F--K Y-U find us first.

[Ted Striker]

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[Nubclear]

confusing.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Greater Los Angeles ranked at 10th biggest economy in the world.

The County of Los Angeles by itself rated at 15th, bigger than Taiwan and Russia, but smaller than Australia

No longer so. Notice that Russian GDP grows by 40% a year, as it follows from the table. Thus, in 2003, Russia should have left the County of Los Angeles far behind.

[Whoha]

China has no ability to project power as of yet, so UK ranks above them for now.

[el freako]

Originally posted by Joseph
I was wrong, We are number 5 instead. California can kick some a$$.

Not really, first off the data is 2 years old and heavily skewed by the fact that it is converted using exchange rates (and the dollar was massively overvalued in 2001).

Here is the data for 2003 (estimates):

1st United States: $10,980bn
2nd Japan: $4,320bn
3rd Germany: $2,410bn
4th Britian: $1,800bn
5th France: $1,750bn
6th China: $1,570bn*
7th California: $1,480bn
8th Italy: $1,470bn
9th Canada: $860bn
10th Spain: $830bn

*including Hong Kong

[Ned]

1. USA
2-10. Friends of the USA

Anyone who is not on our "friends list" is not a world power.