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ANYWAYS...i must agree that a US funded 'secret' police isnt something i aplausse... let`s see what happens...maybe some day someone will get something right in the pentagon
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Actually The Telegraph is a respectable paper, in the sense that its as reliable, accurate and comprehensive as FOX news.Originally posted by Patroklos
Ramo, the Telegraph and the CSM are of the same family. Marginalized rumor factories and spin doctors. This story has not been picked up by anyone with even a hint of respectability.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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So basically you just don't like us using Kurdish and Shi'ite militamen for this agency?"I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer
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I don't like anything about it. From a realist and humanitarian POV, it's a recipe for disaster."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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You don't know what I care and don't care about.Originally posted by Ramo
I'm not making anything up. You don't seem to care about Iraqi liberties now that Shurb has declared that the Iraqis have been "liberated."
So that's why you're making things up.
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You're implying a secret police is going to abuse its power.Originally posted by Ramo
I'm still wondering about the "what might happen" comment. You never backed up that claim.
You're ready to throw accusations at an entity that doesn't even exist yet.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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That's what unaccountable organizations generally do. And that's characteristic of organizations composed of violent militias, with a history of behavior outside the law (look at the recent assassinations). I didn't say they necessarily will abuse its power, I said they probably will abuse its power.You're implying a secret police is going to abuse its power.
Hence my reference to the Iranian SAVAK that we trained after the coup in '53.
Why do you think that this secret police won't abuse its power?
I don't see any of this care you say you have in this thread. You seem pretty damn apathetic towards the fate of the Iraqis.You don't know what I care and don't care about.
So that's why you're making things up."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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That's because you're full of sh1t.Originally posted by Ramo
I don't see any of this care you say you have in this thread. You seem pretty damn apathetic towards the fate of the Iraqis.
You are trying to say:
anyone who isn't outraged at an Iraqi secret police force = apathetic, uncaring, etc.
In fact I think this force is a GREAT idea. The more intelligence the better and the whole point of creating the force is to track down dumbasses.
Our own country does this (more to your benefit then NOT) but then again they are all thugs too right?We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Only because you said:You are trying to say:
anyone who isn't outraged at an Iraqi secret police force = apathetic, uncaring, etc.
Anyone who questions the wisdom of a secret police force composed of nasty militias is a "poosy."
That is an apathetic attitude, like it or not. So stop the *****ing, you're not on any high horse.
1. I do think that the FBI and CIA have abused their power lots in the past and present. But we have some restrictions mitigating the worst of their abuse.Our own country does this (more to your benefit then NOT) but then again they are all thugs too right?
2. We actually don't have too many Sadrists running the CIA.
Once again, we tried this in Iran in '53, where the secret police became so abusive, it provoked a revolution."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Re: US to Create a Secret Police in Iraq
Originally posted by Ramo
Errr... yes, this is a great idea! A secret police would never abuse its power; after all secret polices have never done anything like that. And it certainly wouldn't allow the US undue influence on Iraqi democracy.You mean it's somehow preferable for the Iraqis to have no domestic or foreign intelligence capabilities?Why is it that every new step taken by us in Iraq seems to be even more retarded than the last? It's not just that it's evil, which I can understand. However I'm flabberghasted at how idiotic this is all is.
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It's preferable for the Iraqis to not have an unaccountable police force composed of violent militias."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Whoever said they were unaccountable?
Of course they will be accountable to US and the interum government while we are there, and when we leave expect them to have the same oversight all our agencies have. Just because your article does not mention oversight, because it has better shock value without it, doesn't mean it doesn't exit. It is strangely (predictably) silent or vague about the who sub issue.
BTW, just becasue the CIA does things you do not agree with does not make it an abuse of power. In fact if they followed the line you hold on this issue I would accuse the of deriliction of duty."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Once again:
A former US intelligence officer said: "If successfully set up, the group would work in tandem with American forces but would have its own structure and relative independence. It could be expected to be fairly ruthless in dealing with the remnants of Saddam."Which line? Not giving broad powers and training to, say, extremely militant Shia Islamists?In fact if they followed the line you hold on this issue I would accuse the of deriliction of duty."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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"own structure and relative independence"
From the US in terms of operation, as is more than evident in the entire quote. And you try finding a group of people that SOMEONE doesn't think is militant.
I love the FORMER US INTELLIGENCE OFFICER, probobly form the finance department. But bieng the is the CSM, probobly the janatorial."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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The most important part of the quote is, "expected to be fairly ruthless in dealing with the remnants of Saddam." Meaning, assassinations without trials and the like.
You know, maybe I'm wrong about that. But I'd be interesting in seeing a source saying that.
One reason why I think the article is reliable is that we've already started legitimizing the actions of the militias, and using them as security forces about a month ago. Take this WP article (I suppose they're unreliable too
) for instance: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2003Dec2.html
That's the point; pretty much all of the militias are pretty bad. And I'm not exaggerating.And you try finding a group of people that SOMEONE doesn't think is militant.
Take the Badr Corps, for instance. This militia is lead by real nutjob Ayatollah named Hakim. These forces been extremely friendly with conservative elements in Iran, and in fact has been trained there, and has a history of being extremely violent since the occupation started - including against American forces."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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