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    US to Create a Secret Police in Iraq

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    Nine months after the demise of Saddam Hussein's regime and his feared mukhabarat (intelligence) operatives, Iraq is to get a secret police force again - courtesy of Washington.

    The Bush administration is to fund the new agency in the latest initiative to root out Ba'athist regime loyalists behind the continuing insurgency in parts of Iraq.

    The force will cost up to $3 billion (£1.8 billion) over the next three years in money allocated from the same part of the federal budget that finances the Central Intelligence Agency.
    Errr... yes, this is a great idea! A secret police would never abuse its power; after all secret polices have never done anything like that. And it certainly wouldn't allow the US undue influence on Iraqi democracy.

    As for forming it from the party militias, that's absolutely brilliant; I mean, you can always trust a Sadrist to fight in the interests of democracy and liberty (and certainly the US government!). And a secret police certainly would never, ever, ever backfire; after all, look at how well SAVAK kept militantly anti-American elements from taking over Iran.

    Why is it that every new step taken by us in Iraq seems to be even more retarded than the last? It's not just that it's evil, which I can understand. However I'm flabberghasted at how idiotic this is all is.
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    suddenly the much maligned Daily Telegraph is a reliable source?
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    • #3
      Errr... who exactly was the person to call this a "Secret" police. A national FBI style police force to fight insurgency would seem to be in order.
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      • #4
        Didn't see you complaining about the secret police when Saddam was there. Poosy.

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        • #5
          Regarding the source, others seem to be picking the story up, like the CS Monitor, so it probably isn't that unreliable:
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          http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22secret+police%22+iraq&sa=N&tab=wn
          Comprehensive up-to-date news coverage, aggregated from sources all over the world by Google News.


          And if everything in the paper is Tory propaganda, why would it make up a story that would help domestic leftists?

          Errr... who exactly was the person to call this a "Secret" police.
          From the article:
          A former US intelligence officer said: "If successfully set up, the group would work in tandem with American forces but would have its own structure and relative independence. It could be expected to be fairly ruthless in dealing with the remnants of Saddam.
          Although officially banned by the ruling Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), militia groups are already patrolling cities and towns in many areas of Iraq against the backdrop of an increasing number of extra-judicial killings of prominent former Ba'athists.

          The Pentagon and CIA hope to organise the various and sometimes competing groups into a single force with the local knowledge, the motivation and the authority to hunt down pro-Saddam resistance fighters. According to officials in Washington, the new agency could eventually number 10,000. Initially at least, salaries will be paid by the CIA, which has 275 officers on the ground in Iraq.
          Some of these militia groups tend not to be very nice.

          Didn't see you complaining about the secret police when Saddam was there. Poosy.
          Then you didn't look hard enough. Arse. I've always been critical of the Ba'athist regime, as well as any other authoritarian gov't (except, of course, for ones I'm ignorant of).
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          • #6
            Ramo, in general ignore TCO. best thing to do.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by TCO
              Didn't see you complaining about the secret police when Saddam was there. Poosy.
              It wasn't American funded then, or was it?.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Big Crunch


                It wasn't American funded then, or was it?.
                When people stop moaning about this?

                We did what we had to do at the time. Iran winning that war and taking over would not have been a good thing.
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                • #9
                  Exactly. Over a million dead is a good thing.
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                  • #10
                    Over a million dead is a good thing.


                    Not necessarily. Depends on who the are, really.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


                      When people stop moaning about this?

                      We did what we had to do at the time. Iran winning that war and taking over would not have been a good thing.
                      Not moaning, just trolling.
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                      • #12
                        But they're Moslems, so it's automatically good.
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                        • #13
                          Well we could jsut give them no federal law enforcment organs at all. That would seem to fit so well with rebuilding Iraq into a successful nation

                          You people just can't be happy either way.
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                          • #14
                            It's not simply about creating a national law enforcement agency, it's about giving a bunch of nasty militias CIA aid and training, and a fair amount of legal autonomy.
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                            • #15
                              So just like the FBI then...

                              Ever wonder why CIA HQ and FBI boot are in Langely.

                              And of course bieng brand new and dealing with active insurgensts probobly requires them to be a little more robust in certain areas than the average FED.
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