Enforcing the law and the rules

[mrmitchell]

I'm in favor of sharp hikes in penalties as people become second and third offenders, it weeds out the true unhelpable bastards from the more-or-less innocent who merely made a ****up.

[Pekka]

Imran, Nah it's self defense.

[Imran Siddiqui]

For shoplifting? There is no self-defense for that!

It can be justified battery, but not self-defense.

[Pekka]

Shoplifting? What are you talking about.. I was talking about self defense.. That if there are 3 incidents that a punk attacks you and you just accidentally happen to dominate the situation, you get life for it. I think that would be wrong.

[Imran Siddiqui]

We were talking about shoplifting and then you said 'exactly' .

[Pekka]

Yeah. But you got me wrong, I didn't continue talking about shoplifting.. my bad.

[Fake Boris]

What kind of fascists are you guys?

The crime rate in the US is the highest of the Western world, and the death penalties/life sentences are sure doing nothing against it.

And about the 'three strikes you're out law': it does make some sense, but:

1. As long as using drugs is a crime, this law can only suck
2. Crime commited by minors should not be counted
3. And I sincerely think it should only apply to violent crimes and/or very major frauds or thefts, even if they are non-violent. Sending a father or a mother to jail because he stole a TV is the best thing to do if you want to cook brand new criminals with their children.

In Quebec, everyone is pissed off because the federal forced us to abandon our 'young offenders law', which was much less strict and gave more results in reintegrating them.

[Imran Siddiqui]

the death penalties/life sentences are sure doing nothing against it.

It's getting these sickos off the streets.

2. Crime commited by minors should not be counted

Why not? If a minor knows right and wrong then he should be charged as an adult. If you kill or rape, I don't care if you are 12.. you should go away for a loooong time.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

the death penalties/life sentences are sure doing nothing against it.

It's getting these sickos off the streets.

2. Crime commited by minors should not be counted

Why not? If a minor knows right and wrong then he should be charged as an adult. If you kill or rape, I don't care if you are 12.. you should go away for a loooong time.

If you really wanted to fight crime, you'd take Europe's path. Crime policies should be pragmatic. As in, taking a sicko off the street is not going to do any good if two others will be reborn.

And yes, tolerance towards juvenile crimes has yielded excellent results. Many of them end up not commiting other crimes again. Putting them in the rough world of jails already filled by criminals won't help them, and actually increases criminality rates.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Pekka
You get rewarded for not being able to kill someone... It's sick. Sick!

Here you get rewarded if you succeed.

[Pekka]

Well I disagree. I think sickos off the streets. Number ONE priority is to keep society and citizens safe from sickos. Number two is to help the sickos. It's important, but not as important as to keep us safe.

[Pekka]

YEEEEES! Finnish Justice System has done it again! We have shown the impotence and the damn liberal socialist way our minds think! (exclude me out)

Todays paper:

A guy was convicted to 3 and a half years on prison. So you know according to our punishments, he was hardcore right? Well guess what, he just got released and the accusations went to trash bin. Can you guess what he did, and why he got released and no punishment?

He was/is a pedophile, we love them, and they only want to love kids right? We made sweet love to kids. It is said to be S/M flavoured, but I'm sure the kids got as much out of it too, so who's counting how many he ****ed. It only says multiple, so I guess it's a bunch of kids, happy kids. Now why he got released then? Because the crime got old! Best Before Date was passed already! He ****ed kids in 1988 and 1992, that we know of and he's caught now from those.. but hey, the kids are already adults, so what are they whining anymore!

Want to hear the best part? Court ordered the torture equipment he used in some sick sex scenarios (and when I say sick sex scenarios it has to be sick!) to be handed back to the poor man! Can you believe this ****? He got his tools back too!

And the justice minister, the main impotent and mofo himself is now worried that he got released, because he thought he should have done the 3.5 years. 3.5 years for torturing and having sex with many kids? I say ****ing life! I guess 3.5 was too much to ask anyway.
Nothing is going to change either.. it's going to be like this always.

When I have kids, do I feel safe to let them out? Pedophiles are not left out of punishments here, their rights are protected so much that they get their torture tools back too. ****ERS! I feel like kicking ass, and not the pedophiles ass, but the judges, and prosecutors, and the mother****ing 'justice' ministers ass, and the presidents ass, and everyone who disagrees with me ass.

[Berzerker]

I agree, why we treat attempted muder differently than murder is confusing, the notion we should reward bungled murder attempts is

[Pekka]

You know what gets me the most? We have these whiny little social liberal self celebrating punks, the living in the clowds high on heroin thinking everythings ok living in a gutter stupid POS's, saying 'hey it's not all that bad, we have one of the lowest amounts of prisoners here'.. YEAH well I wonder why that is? Maybe, because you don't get in prison no matter what you do!?!!?!? Could that be it?!!! 'We have such low crime rate', I suggest you read the papers and statistic, they say otherwise you brainwashed finlandizised fool! THIS gets me the worst!

You know why its like this? Because, these people have never being victims of a real crime!!!! Not talking about getting your cell phone stolen, talking about getting your kid raped, getting your front teeth knocked in and ribs kicked in because of nothing. I'm talking about getting stabbed in the face because some drunk **** thought you were checking out his girl or some stupid things like that. How you feel after that huh?

I'll make hell of noise about this too, no one else seems to. Every single day this continues, we accept this. I don't accept kids being raped and molested and the guilty ones getting a way, or getting few years, I'm against this crap!! But everyone who I see not blinking their eyes, I blame YOU for not standing up against it. It is all of your fault. Yes, exactly, I mean what I say.
Where is our collective social feelings now, it doesn' tmatter when it's someone else kids right? Oh yeah we can alwyas cry us a river, how about some action!?
We are bunch of pussies, all of us. I want no part of it.

[el freako]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

the death penalties/life sentences are sure doing nothing against it.

It's getting these sickos off the streets.

Yes, and banging them up for years and years in criminal acadmies (sorry prisons, but with the recidivism rate from US prisons twice that of European ones you have to wonder).

By locking them up for longer instead of rehabilitating them all the US does is delay the problem.

This can cause a fall in crime as long as the prison population is going up quickly - but that creates it's own problems (mainly one of finance).