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  • Enforcing the law and the rules

    What's up with this.. why society is so impotent of forcing it own rules, with the methods that is has already accepted? Why do we keep giving mercy and new chances to people who have not shown a sign to deserve it?

    Just read, that in here there was a woman and her child (6 yo) stabbed by old boyfriend. The 6 year old daughter jumped from the second floor to the ground and was able to reach the neighbours who alarmed the cops. They both survived. The attacker is looking two counts of attempted killing, which means maybe 4 to 5 years, out in few. How sick is this? Why does the victims has to be afraid of attackers even after they've been caught witht the most serious offenses? The sickening part is, it's not the first time he has attacked. Stabbing an innocent 6 year old, her mother, and trying to kill them (multiple wounds) doesn't say 'attempted kill - 5 years!'. It says 'you sick **** - 35 years'.

    It's the damn heal the world feeling that's what it is. We just love so much human beings, the bastards that are to blame for everything that is wrong in this world - yet we praise the clear psycho minds that we will do everything in our power to save you, meaning he'll get out soon, not getting better.

    We should help them to not hurt anyone else ever.

    Then why do we punish these people with the lowest possible sentences, or use the middle of the scale, and not the top punishment in these clear cases? I mean, if we had 2 year as a life sentence, we'd be using paroled sentences for killers because maximum sentence is bad.

    What would you do if you were this person stabbed with a child? Remember, she's had previous attacks from the same man before. I'd get out of this god forsaken country, because it's clear, we can't protect them. We are not even willing to protect them. They can't protect themselves, it's not like they can get a gun. What I would seriously do is apply for asylum from other country.

    I don't know why this whole thing is so difficult. Maybe Supercitizen here is needed.
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  • #2
    Well I think a main problem is that you live in Finland . In the states we put our criminals away longer .
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    • #3
      Well but it's not working for you guys either. You have a different problem though.

      btw, It just might be, that I won't be able to move there either. Because I've been marked for smoking marijuana when I was a teenager, so you know that's a hard crime in here, and you will never be given up. I should have killed someone instead, at least then I'd feel like a criminal.
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      • #4
        This is something i have never understood about Europe. If something like that happened in the United States, that guy would net get out for at least a few decades. Yet whenever I hear about sentencing in Europe, the penalties are always so light; it seems even common for murders to not get a life sentence.
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        • #5
          And what's with the domestic things anyway. If you beat your wife, you should be punished for it. 'It's between the man and the wife' is BS. You don't have right to lay your hands on a person, you don't own anyone. It's a sick thing, but what is more sicker is that the society accepts it. If we didn't accept it, we would do something about it, and not just 'oh that's terrible'. Yeah well it's never going to stop so you can either send the bastards to lock up or you can make them coffee and pat their heads because they're in inner pain. God damn social liberal bastard society I hate it!
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          • #6
            Shi, yeah. Remember life sentence in here is 12 years. I have a friend whose brother was stabbed, intentions of killing this man. It was a freak thing though, nto planned. Some random drunk dude just got mad and stabbed him BAD, including stomach, face and the neck. Survived, attacker got 3 years. He got out in little less than 2. Would you be afraid? I'd be freaking out, he can do it again and this time succeed. You get rewarded for not being able to kill someone... It's sick. Sick!
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            • #7
              And we've been so worried for the last decade or so about the drug problem and that we should punish the pot smokers to hell and no one says anything about the facts that we have alcohol problem so huge it can't be fixed in 100 years. It's the usual story, middle aged buddies drinkign 3 days straight and them someone gets killed. Then we all go 'well, they were just normal guys how is this possible!'.. uh oh... ok.
              Being drunk is an excuse that makes the sentences lower, which is weird. I mean if I kill someone while drunk, it's not so severe after all my judgement was lowered. Even if I intendend to kill the person and got drunk and did it. Then if there's marijuana found in his blood, well it's clear case the killer was a drug addict and crazy person.

              I'm not trying to sponsor drugs here. I'm saying we need to identify the real problem, not find excuses. If someone smoked pot, it doesn't mean that it's the reason of the act by default. It's dangerous to assume so.

              Then there are the 'teen killers', a recent hot topic since we seem to have them every now and then. Then we say it's a problem in society. Society never offered enough to this person. Naturally, the most often times the killer is from 'a good family'. Then we say 'well, uh oh we don't know what the problem is maybe he was crazy drug addict? No? Well it's obvious mommy didn't breastfeed the kid and showed no love'. We NEVER see the problem in the individual that has commited the crime! We always need to have an explanation, a clear ONE reason. So we can sleep at night.

              It's lies and excuses, it's deception and false. At the end, we'll discover the problem, but it will take 100 years, because of our anti-american attitudes and pro-social feelings. I blame Bush and the commies.
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              • #8
                Death penalty for murderers. The bastards will never make the same mistake twice.

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                • #9
                  California has three strikes law. That means for each fellony you commit, the next two get higher setences. I think on the second time you get 15 years and the thrid you get 25 to life in prision. Even if you are just shop lifting.

                  Many say that this is the reason why crime has gone down in California, because we lock up all the criminals.
                  Of course maybe a more effective death penality could do the trick too.
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                  • #10
                    Jack_www, Well I kind of don't agree with that either... I think if you shoplift 3 times and get a life because of it, it's not very good, even if the rule is known...
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                    • #11
                      No, that is not it. The first two felonies have to be violent ones. The thrid can be any crime that you comit. A shoplifter could never be aftected by the three strikes law. You have to commite two violent felonies.
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                      • #12
                        Aaaah ok.. well that makes more sense. I like it.
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                        • #13
                          And shoplifting isn't a felony .
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            Exactly. Is beating up a punk who started it felony?
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                            • #15
                              Battery? Well if it's bad enough it can be .
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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