Proof that American middle class has become too alienated from the reality of warfare

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Spiffor

It is an emotefest. It is a completely artificial displa of emotion -oh our boys are great, we love'em- that has nothing to do with the dull/boring/enraging/slaughtering reality of the field.

I don't need soldiers raping babies, but I think it is an extremely bad tribute to the soldiers to show them as all huggy-nilly rather than in a true light. This "tribute" is obviously meant for the civilian audience back home. I'd personally feel insulted if I was a soldier, because it looks highly patronizing.

its not a documentary, its a tribute. really now this is just friggin silly. do we go up to our high school graduations and the principle hands u ur diploma and he's like

"well sorta congratulations, ur actually not a good student and u've passed because recent political necessity has forced us to not fail minorities. in all reality u will goto college have a great time then drop out get a job and get someone pregnant, tho possibly not in that order."

do u think the soldiers don't miss their families? do u think the families don't miss the soldiers?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by yavoon
do u think the soldiers don't miss their families? do u think the families don't miss the soldiers?

Obviously they do. But as Sprayber pointed out, the audience of this tribute aren't the soldiers, but civilians in the US looking for a feelgood experience.
As I stated earlier, I hold this video for highly patronizing, and I'd feel insulted if I was an American soldier on the field. An actual letter from my family, a phonecall from my wife or girlfriend, a greeting card from the kids would be heartwarming. Not a patronizing video on the internet only intended at showing to the Civvie audience that soldiers are really great people we should all love...

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by mrmitchell


Yeah, a continent that has hosted the last two (and only two) "World Wars" doesn't know anything about war...yeah, a continent that has been blasting each others' guts out for the last 1000 years...the same continent that had all those bloody revolutions (like the French one)...and in the last 50 years saw its division between US pawns and Soviet pawns.

Yeah, I think they don't know much about war either

The certainly know how to get in them huh?

Thanks for backing up my point.

[Evil Knevil]

Initially the frame of a soldier bent over facing a child reminds me of that German WW1 poster "Belgians, the Germans are your friends!"

Two problems:

1/ Obessiveness with the Soldier. Almost like a fascist soldier cult. "My Teacher says you're big and strong".

2/ Anodynised. No "My Teacher says you're friends are being ****ed by insurgents".

It puts across the image of a 'saintly' military action. Which -regardless of the merits of the war- is dangerous. War is mad bad and never 'good'. Who was it who said "Now matter how justified, or how righteous, war is always a crime" ? Not meaning that all wars are unjustified, just that they're bad.

Edit: Seeing the last frame of GWB in the Oval Office made me piss myself! The incongruity is amazing.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Obviously they do. But as Sprayber pointed out, the audience of this tribute aren't the soldiers, but civilians in the US looking for a feelgood experience.
As I stated earlier, I hold this video for highly patronizing, and I'd feel insulted if I was an American soldier on the field. An actual letter from my family, a phonecall from my wife or girlfriend, a greeting card from the kids would be heartwarming. Not a patronizing video on the internet only intended at showing to the Civvie audience that soldiers are really great people we should all love...

name a tribute that shows the dark underbelly of what its paying tribute to? go ahead? I think ur being completely and utterly inane. and I all but guarentee you that the feeling of "patronization" of the american soldier over BEING PAID TRIBUTE TO on the internet is zero.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You know, I still don't get why this site is wrong. Eurocoms are just being their anti-American selves I guess. ::shrug::

[Sprayber]

Why is everyone making a big deal of this website? Knevil compared it to nazi propaganda and Spiffor is mad because it didn't show blood and guts. It is a simple tribute page designed for familes of soldiers. The families don't care about politics, they don't give a damn about George Bush, they don't care what about the geopolitical stability of Iraq or its neighbors. They only care that, daddy, mommy, brother, son, daughter, husband or wife is not beside them when they go to bed at night. And Knevil let me let you in on a little secret. The people are obsessed with the soldier because they are their husbands, and wives, and daughters and sons. You can call that facist if you want to, but I call it being concerned about people that is your family. You may not know anything about that, but there are a lot of people who do. ........

[Traianvs]

I think the little flash movie is simply hilarious. Less hilarious is that some people actually take it serious

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Why is everyone making a big deal of this website? Knevil compared it to nazi propaganda and Spiffor is mad because it didn't show blood and guts. It is a simple tribute page designed for familes of soldiers. The families don't care about politics, they don't give a damn about George Bush, they don't care what about the geopolitical stability of Iraq or its neighbors. They only care that, daddy, mommy, brother, son, daughter, husband or wife is not beside them when they go to bed at night. And Knevil let me let you in on a little secret. The people are obsessed with the soldier because they are their husbands, and wives, and daughters and sons. You can call that facist if you want to, but I call it being concerned about people that is your family. You may not know anything about that, but there are a lot of people who do. ........

I never likened it to Nazi propaganda. Just that such blatant soldier cultism has a parrallel.

If you want you can call family concern, I'll call it crypto-fascism, we'll both be happy

[Monk]

Imran, Sprayber,

Our approach to tributes isn't one of intense - intense - emotional overflow and the use of children to send out a message that isn't just limited to "Thanks for your work" but also sends out strong messages on some cultural, religious and political matters which don't really fit the general theme. To a lesser extent, soldiers are glorified everywhere but when "Eurocoms" (!) choose to pay tribute to soldiers, they don't include God or political figures.
I'm not going into the question of what's the right way of doing things or if such a way even exists. I'm merely pointing out that when you guys are saying you don't understand the reactions, the reason is probably that you haven't made the necessary efforts to understand the mindsets of the Eurocoms and how they are culturally different from you.

[JohnT]

This is possibly one of the dumbest threads I've seen here.

I thought the ideal is so everybody becomes "alienated from the realities of warfare"? Now people are complaining because hundreds of millions are?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Evil Knevil


I never likened it to Nazi propaganda. Just that such blatant soldier cultism has a parrallel.

If you want you can call family concern, I'll call it crypto-fascism, we'll both be happy

Call it what you want, I'm simply curious why it merits this much attention to begin with. If it was something put out by the goverment then thats one thing, but its a website. There is nothing glorious about it. It's not encouraging war, It's simply showing a small snapshot of what they are going through. Don't attempt to read anything more to it than that.

Monk: I'll readly admit that I don't know everything there is to know about how Euros think. But just like you say me and Imran need to apprectiate Euro sensibilites, perhaps it would help just a little if there was some appreciation from the other side as well.

[Tripledoc]

I don't know what to think of the media presentation linked to, but I am sure that it is done in honesty.

I think we are moving into an age where sentimentality will govern, and not the usual cynicism. I don't know, but I for one, has had enough of cynicism.

As a matter of fact I think this move away from Big City culture to the more honest and clean ideas of truly middle America, that is middle class, and at the same time middle America in the geographical sense, that is the agricultural mid-west, will bring only strength to the whole idea of what is is to be American. This is of course a life of frugality, sacrifice and family.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think we are moving into an age where sentimentality will govern, and not the usual cynicism. I don't know, but I for one, has had enough of cynicism.

USUAL cynicism? WHAT?!

[JohnT]

What this thread needs is a good, old...

USA! USA! USA!

You're welcome.