Before I forget and the next night passes...

[DaShi]

I'm sorry. Do you want to talk about it? Perhaps having bad dreams can help you to understand yourself. If you continually have a bad dream, it may be a sign of a problem in you life, and the dream may give you some insights to solve it or at least understand it better. By controlling your dreams, you are blocking a view into your unconscious mind. A rare opportunity to view yourself from within. Otherwise, you are just using your brain as an ego masturbation aid.

[Inverse Icarus]

exactly. thats why i'm trying to control it. :SMACK:

[DaShi]

Oh, don't let me intrude then. :

[Flip McWho]

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Wait a minute!!!

I can't believe that no other Apolytoners but Space and I have had/expreicenced a lucid dream before....

Could it be that we are just unique people?


In another words: *Bump*

Come on Apolytoners! Tell us about your lucid dreams and how you have or have not controlled them. For some reason, I cannot believe that we are minority in the abilty of controlling one's dreams.

I've lucid dreamed ever since I was very little. Although, it was very sporadic at first (one a year, or every two years) because I didn't know what it was. Then a five or six years ago I read an article about it, nothing detailed at all, and realized "hey, I guess that is a real thing", and then, just like that, I started lucid dreaming almost every night. Sometimes all it takes is to put the thought in your head and your brain takes care of the rest. And certainly I can induce them at will too now, most simply, by just thinking about lucid dreaming before I go to sleep.

They're all different, sometimes I don't bother to actually "control" the dream, but rather just remain conscious and let the dream take its course, while other times I will manipulate everything, including myself and my surroundings.

Yeah, I think all humans are capable of lucid dreaming, its just that the dream state isn't empphasized in our culture...we're whats called "monophasic". In other cultures, dreaming is seen as very meaningful and (I believe) in some, lucid dreaming is common.

In fact, my girlfriend had never lucid dreamed, and had never even heard of it until I told her about a couple of mine. And it wasn't like I told her how to do it or anything. And just like that, she's had 3 or 4 since then. Sometimes its just that simple.

I don't know about you two, but for me the "magic words" in my dreams are "I'm dreaming". It doesn't matter if I say it, if I read it, I hear it, but once those words come up, its like BAM!, I'm lucid. Although I don't necessarily need those words to become lucid, its just one of those things.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Re: Before I forget and the next night passes...

Originally posted by Space05us
I was { } that frickin' close to lucid dreaming, stupid ****ing self!!!!!! I read a few websites that give tips on how to get into a lucid dream state and the main one is to realise that you are in a dream by noticing something is how it shouldnt be like "forcing yourself to know that the pink elephant doesnt belong". And I did it, I forced myself to realise that I was in the house that I grew up in not in my current home, I dont know if I woke up or if I was in a lucid dream state for a few seconds but as soon as I noticed it my dream turned to black with grainy white outline to everything, and I was back in a normal state of dreaming. What makes it (worse/better/you be the judge) was that it was one of those dreams that Diss envies me for having so often.

oh well hopefully I'll get the hang of it eventually.

Space:

It sounds like you got close, but don't worry, its all part of the process. Your brain probably just wasn't used to what it was experiencing, and so it jerked yourself awake. It will get used to it... like they say, you have to crawl before you can walk.

And seriously, don't bother with all the websites and all that bull****. It can help, but its like doing a big long song and dance everytime before you turn on the TV, when you could just press the button to begin with and accomplish the same thing. The most helpful thing you can do to make yourself lucid dream is to just think about it, think about your dreams, don't necessarily interpret them, just think about them. Think about what it is to dream, and whats separates the dreaming state from the waking state. Talking to someone else about it can be even more helpful.

But hey, if you want a "guru" (in the sense of the word of just someone who's been there before) to help you through, or someone just to talk about it with, you can always PM me and I'll give you my e-mail address. I lucid dream, usually, about every other night, sometimes more, sometimes less, but always at the very least 3 or 4 per week. But I don't usually try to make myself lucid dream... if I did, I could probably do it multiple times per night, every night.

[Nubclear]

Hmm...I seem to have two problems with lucid dreaming. Three actually. In fact, quite a few:

1. I'm always aware that it's a dream, it's just I can't access my conscious memories. I don't know whats outside of a dream.

2. I seem to have troubles keeping a lucid dream. It always tends to slip into an astral project, which is ***nasty.

3. I rarely control the dream myself. I always do it through someone else, usually my cat though I once did it through god and one time I was being threaned by Osama bin Laden.

4. If I do control it myself...I quickly lose control but in a different way. Let me tell you one lucid dream I had:

I was in a room...It has modern asian architecture. Anyway, I looked around and said to myself "I am dreaming. This is not real." And then I realized I was indeed dreaming. So I began to redesign the room....However people kept appearing in there. I shut them out and I build a large stone wall around the room. I kept building but...I was losing control. I couldn't move the blocks properly. People kept appearing. Suddenly the "gates" burst and people were just flooding in there, and I was trying to get them to leave but they wouldn't! The dream ended.
It's very frustrating.

5. Too often an evil entity tries to subverge me. Let me tell you another dream:

I was in a mall looking for a decent pair of pants. The ones I had on I considered to look too "American" and I needed something different...Well this...thing kept following me around. His face was very blurred, and he kept asking me questions.
Suddenly...

ME: Am I dreaming?
IT: No.
ME: Yes I am.
IT: No you are not. Trust me on this one.
ME: If I'm dreaming....
IT:
ME: No, I am dreaming.
Suddenly I was transported to blackness....Everything was dark and this entity was right in front of me.

IT: There is so much knowledge you have not even begun to explore. Come with me....i will show you these things....
I was on the verge of accepting. The words "Yes! Take me!" were forming in my mouth and they were just about to penetrate my lips when suddenly thoughts of my wife entered my mind. Her face began to permiate the area, and I got very angry. I just boomed "NO! NEVER!" and I "woke up"...sorta. I heard this shatter coming from downstairs so I Looked and all was fine.

Another time I was at the edge of a cliff and there was this man and this woman. I sensed the man was very evil. I asked him if I was dreaming...

ME: Am I dreaming?
IT: Yes. You are.
ME: OK....
IT: You will never escape. I will haunt your dreams.
ME: No.

So I jumped off the cliff...And it jumped after me. I began to float back up and it spoke...

IT: Join me now, and I will spare you.
ME: No...You can't do anything to me. This is inside me, I can tell. In fact.....

I closed my eyes and began to think "I want another dream" and it happend. Everything around me disappeared and I was now falling through this...machine. It said "Configuring REM state.....Done." and I was in another dream I realized this however and decided to simply wake up. I did!

I'd like to be able to lucid dream. The times I've been able to control it were very nice. But I have troubles with keeping control and keeping nasties away from my soul.

[/Newage]

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Hmm...I seem to have two problems with lucid dreaming. Three actually. In fact, quite a few:

1. I'm always aware that it's a dream, it's just I can't access my conscious memories. I don't know whats outside of a dream.

Then I would say you're not really lucid dreaming, at least not yet. I think, at least for me, one of the main characteristics of lucid dreaming is being pretty much the same person inside my dream as I am awake, with all my memories, etc...

But it sounds like you're on your way to having a lucid dream. Just don't get caught up in all the hype... it doesn't have to be in a cool place or doing cool things, you just have to be aware that you're dreaming. Its not some spaced out, tripped out kind of thing either, it seems very normal.

[Nubclear]

Well I'm very near to one. It's just that one barrier....I know what it feels like, sort of.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
4. If I do control it myself...I quickly lose control but in a different way. Let me tell you one lucid dream I had:

I was in a room...It has modern asian architecture. Anyway, I looked around and said to myself "I am dreaming. This is not real." And then I realized I was indeed dreaming. So I began to redesign the room....However people kept appearing in there. I shut them out and I build a large stone wall around the room. I kept building but...I was losing control. I couldn't move the blocks properly. People kept appearing. Suddenly the "gates" burst and people were just flooding in there, and I was trying to get them to leave but they wouldn't! The dream ended.

I reckon you only have partial control over your dreams, because you are not really using all of your conscious mind.

[Wittlich]

I was thinking the same thing UR.

I just takes practice to get control of your lucid dream state.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Well I'm very near to one. It's just that one barrier....I know what it feels like, sort of.

Face it, Tass. Commies and traitors can never lucid dream.

[Space05us]

Why are geeks so obsessed with controlling dreams? Are their real lives that bad?

If I can take out my aggression while Im asleep, by doing whatever it is I feel like doing, then when Im awake I'll be at peace with myself and everything will be peachy.

[Ecthy]

lucid dreaming = out of body experience = bull kaka

[Enigma_Nova]

FINALLY A topic I know something about!

I'm decent at such things, but I always have a simple problem in connecting my conscious mind to the entity in my dream.

More often than not, I've decided to punch someting in my dreams, or strangle it, or tear its guts out you know... but as soon as I stretch my arm out in the dream I tend to strech my arm out in reality - and promptly wake myself up.

Telekinesis and Clairintuition are present in all of my dreams. I can sense pretty much the whole world around me and I'm capable of changing it (but I tend to go with awareness since I like to explore my subconscious's new adventure)

Perhaps one of the most trippy things I've done:
I was asleep, dreaming merrily.
I woke up, and being still sleepy I returned to sleep.
I noticed that I was still receiving dream feed, but not through my main visual sense, through the clairintuitive sense earlier.
Now it starts to get interesting.
So I think to myself - okay, I wonder if my eyes can scope the real world while I keep dreaming.
So I consciously control myself - "KEEP DREAMING" - and also willed myseld to wake up.

It actually worked.
I was aware of the outside world AND the dream world both at once.
Unfortunately I became very confused, as I tried to teleport from my bed to the breakfast table and materialise my clothes (which I can do fine in a dream but not in the real world).
Trippy - and damn fun too!

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I've had a tass-like dream before. I had an argument with an entity in my dream about whether or not I was dreaming.
Indeed I've experimented with antiselves in dreams.
The idea is to materialise another entity, like yourself, only autonomous.

Unfortunately I stuffed up once.
I imagined I was in a dream, busily hacking the matrix as you do. I was a part of said matrix. (Here the matrix would probably be my subconscious)
Then I thought to myself "I wonder if there are any other warriors hacking the matrix"
There appeared another entity.

The thing was, it was a lucid dream to both of us. We could -both- control the dream and indeed both hack the matrix.
So here we are. 2 Warriors each trying to control the environment and each-others' minds.
So the other guy was winning, and he booted me out of my conscious self.

Yes you heard right. I was booted from my own self-awareness.
I think I must have remained connected to my subconscious, because I 'reconnected' with my conscious self some time later, with a message in my head:
...Enigma_Alpha defeated. Link re-establishing...
I figure my anti-self must have decided to rejoin entities, because I had split in two to start the battle.

I can only wonder what would have happened if my Beta decided to boot my subconscious too, and left me in limbo while he controlled both my consciousness and my subconscious forever...
Of course I wouldn't do such a thing but it's an interesting what if.