achievement gap

[Verto]

I am totally lost.

Thus, it is ridiculous to say the achievement gap is inherently bad.

I thought you've been trying to get at the fact that the "achievement gap" is an idiotic phrase.

[Kuciwalker]

I am totally lost.

By showing that the logical consequences of an assumption are ridiculous, I show that assumption to be ridiculous itself. A logical consequence of the assumption "the achievement gap is inherently bad" is the statement "hurting the group in the lead is inherently good", which is ridiculous. Thus, the assumption "the achievement gap is inherently bad" is ridiculous.

thought you've been trying to get at the fact that the "achievement gap" is an idiotic phrase.

No, there is an achievement gap and the phrase is relatively accurate.

[Dinner]

The "achievement gap" has more to do with the culture of different minority groups then anything else. Most of the Mexican/central American/Spanish speaking Caribbean people who immigrate to the US are more interested in getting jobs then in going to school & naturally they often pass this along to their children. That's why Hispanics in the US have such a low level of college graduates. The Hispanics who are educated and happy with their lives generally don't want to move to another country while it's the lower class that leaves for the US.

The low level of educational achievement among blacks seems to be of the "you can't win in a white man's world so why try" variety. Personally, I believe this is a crutch used by people who just can’t be bothered to put the effort in. Still, black women have been make great strides in educational achievement while black men don't seem to fair very well.

Asians often have a higher level of achievement then whites do and this too is mostly because of culture. Chinese, Korean, & Japanese families seem to stress educational excellence to their children from a young age. Many Asian parents even go so far as to punish or beat their kids if they don’t bring home a report card with straight “A”s. I think this is to much and that it robs children of their childhood but in the end this all goes back to culture.

[Q Classic]

Asians often have a higher level of achievement then whites do and this too is mostly because of culture. Chinese, Korean, & Japanese families seem to stress educational excellence to their children from a young age.

stress isn't quite the word i'd use for it.

Many Asian parents even go so far as to punish or beat their kids if they don’t bring home a report card with straight “A”s.

no, beating isn't the case. usually yelling. and it's often when you bring home a 95 instead of a 100.

I think this is to much and that it robs children of their childhood but in the end this all goes back to culture.

you're wrong. that is our childhood.

[Kuciwalker]

Asians often have a higher level of achievement then whites do and this too is mostly because of culture. Chinese, Korean, & Japanese families seem to stress educational excellence to their children from a young age. Many Asian parents even go so far as to punish or beat their kids if they don’t bring home a report card with straight “A”s. I think this is to much and that it robs children of their childhood but in the end this all goes back to culture.

Oh, do I so know about this. At my school (an uber tech magnet school) we have about 45% Asians (though we often make jokes about how the entire school is made of Asians ) and they complain about how their parents b1tch about 94's (the lowest A) and such

[Al B. Sure!]

it's all about family people... the asians got working families while the rest of us are the products of single mothers or divorcees.

[Dinner]

My parents are married. Other then one aunt no one in my family has ever gotten divorced or had a child out of wedlock. We're just old fashioned.

[Enigma_Nova]

Yes... there's a lot that is based on culture, and what children are exposed to.

Presuming that as a given (it -is- changable with emphasis on personal decision-making but it's negligible in 2003)
Then there are people with different levels of desire to achieve, and different desires for education.

The best we can do is work to give people what they desire (so long as it does not stifle the ability of others to...)
That is, we give university positions to the Asians, the Whiteys and the Blacks (Plus anyone else I've forgotten).

If there aren't enough places? Fund more! (but again presuming this is impossible) Let in those who will best make use of the available positions. Those hard workers with good minds.
Out of culture this may be majorly asian, but hey... give power only to those that want and can use it!

Fixing base attitudes is the key to fixing society (As these attitudes are what define our culture and our society itself) but without fixing those we can at least work to help different cultures.

[Q Classic]

my family's divorced. last time i checked, i was still asian, though the divorced family bit could make me a lapsed asian. i should start practicing again.

[yaroslav]

Correct me if I'm wrong please - English is not my mother tounge:

"we need to close the achievement gap" - objetive

Commentary

... that if we accept the achievement gap as being inherently bad, then we must also accept that a decrease in achievement in whichever group is ahead as inherently good, which is ridiculous. Thus, it is ridiculous to say the achievement gap is inherently bad.

Method:

By showing that the logical consequences of an assumption are ridiculous, I show that assumption to be ridiculous itself.

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Aplying the same logic (Again - correct me if I'm wrong)

"we need to end the consume of drugs"

Commentary (by Yaroslav):
... that if we accept the achievement gap drug use as being inherently bad, then we must also accept that a decrease in achievement in whichever group is ahead as inherently good the number of drug consumed as inherently good, no matter wich system is used to meet that objetive (for instance, killing all the drug-consuming people), which is ridiculous. Thus, it is ridiculous to say the achievement gap the objetive of ending the drug consume is inherently bad.

Method:

By showing that the logical consequences of an assumption are ridiculous, I show that assumption to be ridiculous itself.

Were am I wrong?

[Kuciwalker]

I think you made a formatting error. I'm not sure I understood the point of that post

[yaroslav]

Format corrected

[Kuciwalker]

[yaroslav]

Why do you laugh?

It's my way of saying that I don't understand your logic