Myths of our time: globalisation

[Whoha]

Time to post it again:
"American protectionism is the problem!
A December report by the U.S. Agriculture Department estimated that agricultural support in the United States is worth about 21 percent of the country's production value, while it reaches 35 percent in Europe and almost 60 percent in Japan. U.S. tariffs average 12 percent, EU tariffs 30 percent and Japan's almost 50 percent, the report said. The Washington Times January 24, 2003 "

"Ag exports tumble
America's agricultural trade surplus has tumbled from $27 billion to about $12 billion since 1996 while imports have risen 20% and exports have fallen 12%. Modesto Bee 12/09/01"

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Whoha
Time to post it again:
"American protectionism is the problem!
A December report by the U.S. Agriculture Department estimated that agricultural support in the United States is worth about 21 percent of the country's production value, while it reaches 35 percent in Europe and almost 60 percent in Japan. U.S. tariffs average 12 percent, EU tariffs 30 percent and Japan's almost 50 percent, the report said. The Washington Times January 24, 2003 "

"Ag exports tumble
America's agricultural trade surplus has tumbled from $27 billion to about $12 billion since 1996 while imports have risen 20% and exports have fallen 12%. Modesto Bee 12/09/01"

Whoha, no one has said that the US is any worse than Europe or Japan (quite the opposite, it seems). It's just that they are the current leader of the Western world. And BTW, the agricultural lobby is very strong in Europe (esp. France), and I guess it's too dangerous for politicians to go against their wishes.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


Two wrongs dont make a right. I don't see why our domestic policy needs to be dependant on another country's. Do you? Do you enjoy paying twice for your food and clothing? Do you enjoy paying more for your food and clothes than you would? Do you enjoy having the blood of dead africans, asians, and developing country farmers who can't get a job because of these subsidies? If you voted Bush, Gore, Nader, or not at all, you are morally responsible for their deaths. Think about that the next time you support a policy because somebody else broke their word.

replying to this guy.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Seriously, I really think the US was more liked during the Cold War than it is right now. People saw it as a barrier against the worse worst.

But maybe I'm wrong, since my point of view is exterior. Obviously, I guess the conscripts sent to Vietnam didn't like the presidents of the time much more...

1. A lot of the forces in VietNam were volunteers.
2. It was a noble mission and the carnage that ensued after the North took over (boat people, etc.) just shows how that is true.
3. We got hated and resented plenty during the Cold War. Everybody likes to ***** about the big brother.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by TCO

3. We got hated and resented plenty during the Cold War. Everybody likes to ***** about the big brother.

doesn't help when the big brother is also a jerk.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Now, Master Zen, that is an interesting reading. Care to suggest me some sources to further my understanding of the topic?

Are you sure you want to read boring economics papers and textbooks? Heck I'm an economist and I can hardly understand some of them!

try www.nber.org or (yes) even the world bank www.worldbank.org , it's much less biased than the Washington Post.... as for books try Nelson and Kim they've got some good stuff on technology and the Asian Tigers success story. I've got more books but I'm not at my home for the next week or so.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Master Zen


doesn't help when the big brother is also a jerk.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!

[TCO]

Originally posted by Master Zen


Are you sure you want to read boring economics papers and textbooks? Heck I'm an economist and I can hardly understand some of them!

try www.nber.org or (yes) even the world bank www.worldbank.org , it's much less biased than the Washington Post.... as for books try Nelson and Kim they've got some good stuff on technology and the Asian Tigers success story. I've got more books but I'm not at my home for the next week or so.

Economists are morons. Go read in Brealey and Myers in the bathtub like I did.

[chequita guevara]

God you're a curmudgeon.

[TCO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
God you're a curmudgeon.

I'll have the steak and eggs. Keep the coffee cup filled too.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Master Zen


Are you sure you want to read boring economics papers and textbooks? Heck I'm an economist and I can hardly understand some of them!

try www.nber.org or (yes) even the world bank www.worldbank.org , it's much less biased than the Washington Post.... as for books try Nelson and Kim they've got some good stuff on technology and the Asian Tigers success story. I've got more books but I'm not at my home for the next week or so.

Actually, I'm doing philosophy in College right now... so I don't mind the boring stuff.

Anyway, I'm planning to do two semesters of economy when I'm done with metaphysic and syllogisms, so I might start right now to read basic, easy to understand stuff.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Actually, I'm doing philosophy in College right now... so I don't mind the boring stuff.

Anyway, I'm planning to do two semesters of economy when I'm done with metaphysic and syllogisms, so I might start right now to read basic, easy to understand stuff.

Learn some math first, fluffhead. I really dispise people who take survey courses in macro and don't even understand micro.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris

Anyway, I'm planning to do two semesters of economy when I'm done with metaphysic and syllogisms, so I might start right now to read basic, easy to understand stuff.

Um.. while I'm known as an admirer of Aristotle, logic and metaphysics have moved on somewhat since his seminal work.

That's not to say that he can't teach us young whippersnappers a thing or two, but his logic is definitely out of date. But then again 2300 years is a pretty long time to be thought the master of any discipline.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by TCO

1. A lot of the forces in VietNam were volunteers.

And a lot of those who weren't were militant black civil rights activists who got shipped off by white draft boards to "keep them out of the way".

2. It was a noble mission and the carnage that ensued after the North took over (boat people, etc.) just shows how that is true.

It was a joke. A people had been fighting for years so that they could run their own country, and you lot stepped in on false pretences and supported a corrupt fascist regime. For the Vietnamese this was, and remains, a war of National Liberation.

It's a pity that the nation they finally managed to liberate was a poisoned wreck due to the war. But still, they kicked your ass big time.

3. We got hated and resented plenty during the Cold War. Everybody likes to ***** about the big brother.

Well, I suppose the Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Cubans, Chileans, Argentines who suffered under US imposed fascist regimes for reasons that really had nothing to do with the Cold War might have something to complain about.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Agathon


And a lot of those who weren't were militant black civil rights activists who got shipped off by white draft boards to "keep them out of the way".

Pu-leez!

It was a joke.

I guess the millions of people who voted with their feet to escape that jail by setting to sea and risking rape and death from pirates and exposure, see it as a big joke. Commies are slavers. I say kill them.

But still, they kicked your ass big time.

They outlasted us. And they defeated the regime in the south. If we had stayed in the war, they had no chance to take over the country.