How do they explain western dominance in other world regions?

[Drake Tungsten]

[Bereta_Eder]

well davout did say something of essence actually. it stands for that period of time for that particular region. but no further than that time and definitely not further than that geographical era.

all others were a bunch of lies for the cold war.

now its over so to hell with it

[Agathon]

Anyway, nobody can really understand the workings of history until they can explain just why a large proportion of the world's pre-eminent scientists, philosophers, politicians, architects, artists, generals, dramatists, poets, mathematicians and orators all turned up in one stinky little town in a backward area of the world over a period of just over 100 years.

Take your average small US city of about 50,000 people and imagine that during your lifetime the following people live there at some point and are active - and it's a small town, so you probably know or are related to most of them.

People like: Lincoln, Rommel, Einstein, Kant, Shakespeare, Descartes, Russell, Tolstoy, Goethe, Rodin, Rembrandt, Machiavelli, Napoleon, Jefferson, Franklin, Godel, Wren, etc.

That's what 5th-4th century Athens must have been like.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

a bunch of illiterate farmers who did a bit of boating now and then

That's the best description of the Greeks that I have ever heard.

See my post above.

[Drake Tungsten]

one stinky little town in a backward area of the world

That's the best description of Athens that I have ever heard.

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW cerbecious, yeah I'm sure that say denmark had a huge colonial empire

that chezhs and whiterussians had huuuuge differences in any given timeframe

your theory is a bunch of bull****e for internal concumption.

you may need it, none other does (apart some inferior feeling yankees ) and thats all

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

one stinky little town in a backward area of the world

That's the best description of Athens that I have ever heard.

also very high crime rate from what I hear, at least in atlanta

[Bereta_Eder]

there was only one country which got the central focus of greek teachings and transcended into enlightnment ->france.

all others were stunt men sticks with minumum contributions and certaintly such a spiritual movement didnt reach all of europe (we're not even talking US here) uniformaly to a point where it would be deemed as "one civ"

so you wanna say that france is the "western civ" with some minor sidekicks?

be my guest.

[Bereta_Eder]

also imran seems to be confused one more time. despite the lack of time frame, he keeps rambling about "liberal democracy"

might you tell me the differences with representative democracy? and do you know the differences between say a social democratic representative system and a ethnonationally based state functioning?
they are both "liberal democracies" you know LOL and they both belong in the "west" (which doesnt exist)

and might you tell me how totally the same "liberal democracies" of say italy or greece with sweden's loooooong transperancy traditions going back even before the enlightnemt have in common? or colombia's "western civ" attributes with say israel's?


its a hilarious concept but doesnt exist "western civ" never was such a thing except for a very minor time frame in a very limited number of sociopolitical entities.
others have developed either with very minor impact or completely autonomously - and thats all within the non existant "west" (and of course beyond)

i agree about westerns though. funny movies and a distinctive genre. those who need a "western civ" are those who a) have none b) are afraid of feeling looonely the poor guys.


well get over it, it's a new world and old lies dont work anymore

[Imran Siddiqui]

also imran seems to be confused one more time. despite the lack of time frame, he keeps rambling about "liberal democracy"

might you tell me the differences with representative democracy?

Liberal democracy is based on a series of human rights which are enshrined. It isn't mob rule, but protects the minority with rights. This is the difference between liberal democracy and earlier democracies.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

also imran seems to be confused one more time. despite the lack of time frame, he keeps rambling about "liberal democracy"

might you tell me the differences with representative democracy?

Liberal democracy is based on a series of human rights which are enshrined. It isn't mob rule, but protects the minority with rights. This is the difference between liberal democracy and earlier democracies.

then the US apparently isnt one, whereas finland for example is.

[Imran Siddiqui]

then the US apparently isnt one, whereas finland for example is.

nice troll . Obviously you've never heard of a Bill of Rights.

[Bereta_Eder]

non mon amie, not a troll different nuances in what you like to call a "western civ" something which never existed as you mean it and which by the way you mean it doesnt include many countries including the US.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Where that Stefu's troll song?

[Bereta_Eder]

well do you have porovisions for a second official language?

oh right, you dont even have one. and you claim to be a part of "europe's civ"

anyway the matter isnt about the US, youre simply a sideeffect. the point is about the existance of a "western civ" in europe which obviously is only a big lie or at least very one dimensional.


now if you want to feel in company go talk to the mexicans or the canadians. with europe, you're through, never were close anyway.

the issue at hand is the "Western civ" as a specific european time frame and location which is indeed accepted. from then on and before that ,from that place and beyond that, its the chaos my friend