Religious versus Secular law

[Jon Miller]

I Saw a post in tehe french thread and it got me thinking

would you obey religious law over state law?

I sure would, and I would hope that most others would also

note that for those of you who are atheists, or the like

you could probably replace religious law with ethical law

for example, if the state asked me to assist in the murder of people, I would refuse (I don't think that what the military does is neccesarily murder (Although at times it is, and I am not anxious to serve my country in that manner))

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

actually 4 and 1 are too similar

consider 4 to be, religious law, and religious law is the same as state law

Jon Miller

[Urban Ranger]

There's no such thing as ethical law. Ethics is about what you ought and ought not do, it's neither binding nor forcing.

I reckon your quesiton is something like, "If a law of the land is in conflict with your own ethics (or religion), will you follow it?"

[Urban Ranger]

The problem with such question is there are two broad categories of laws, one forbids you to do certain things, and the other allows you to do certain things. For example, the law the criminalise the use of nacotics and other drugs vs the law that allows people to have abortions legally.

[Bereta_Eder]

I always piss myself laughing with the interpretations of words. Especially when it comes to religion.

Example:

I am a good chistian. I shalt not murder.


*KABOOOOM*

that was killing.

and besides haven't you read in the holy scriptures edafion blah blah blah The saint whatever kicked the whatever's behind to protect his goat?


It's amazing. But there can be no reasoning with dogmatism.
Simply view each person for who he really is and write his religious or not believes where the sun doesn't shine

[Jon Miller]

I agree I could have made the poll beter

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by paiktis22
I always piss myself laughing with the interpretations of words. Especially when it comes to religion.

Example:

I am a good chistian. I shalt not murder.


*KABOOOOM*

that was killing.

and besides haven't you read in the holy scriptures edafion blah blah blah The saint whatever kicked the whatever's behind to protect his goat?


It's amazing. But there can be no reasoning with dogmatism.
Simply view each person for who he really is and write his religious or not believes where the sun doesn't shine

many christians, after careful study, consider murder to be any killing

other christians. also after careful study, consider murder to be seperate from killing

my denomination has a lot of each (in the past, we were more strongly in the murder=killing camp)

I can see the arguments of muder=killing, but am currently in the other camp

anyways, interpret the poll as you like, and VOTE

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

I shold have had whether you were american or european also part of the poll

Jon Miller

[Ramo]

Hopefully, I'd obey my ethics over the law. I'm not saying that I necessarily would - for instance, if I were threatened with punishment by the state I might aquiesce into doing something I consider mildly immoral.

[Dis]

this thread and poll is confusing.

I don't care where the law comes from (either secular or religious).

A law is a law. I make my best efforts to obey it (except silly laws like speeding and carrying a concealed weapon ). If the law is dumb, then I will vote it out if I can.

[Inverse Icarus]

eh. this is a fuzzy question.

if bush came up to me and said "kill these 5 little girls, or i'll kill you." i'd probably die for them. if he said "kill these 5 little girls, or you will die with them.", i'd probably kill them.

what other situations could arise that are morally objectionale that don't involve murder / harming another?

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Dissident
this thread and poll is confusing.

I don't care where the law comes from (either secular or religious).

A law is a law. I make my best efforts to obey it (except silly laws like speeding and carrying a concealed weapon ). If the law is dumb, then I will vote it out if I can.

The problem with religious laws such as sharia is that you cannot vote them out. The sharia unfortunately made Islam a threat for the democracy.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Uber KruX
eh. this is a fuzzy question.

if bush came up to me and said "kill these 5 little girls, or i'll kill you." i'd probably die for them. if he said "kill these 5 little girls, or you will die with them.", i'd probably kill them.

Could not you kill him instead ?

[Imran Siddiqui]

A law is a law. I make my best efforts to obey it... If the law is dumb, then I will vote it out if I can.

Me too

[Sava]

Since religion is the product of dopey mysticism and unproven mythical concepts... I would not respect it at all.

I have my own set of ethics that I follow, but I would respect most "state" law just because I might not want to go to prison or whatever. But, I won't follow the law just because it is the law. Laws are written by humans, hence, they aren't perfect. But at least the law that is written by a democratic government has more sense then the law of people claiming to be part of God's bureaucracy.