Religious versus Secular law

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by paiktis22
I always piss myself laughing with the interpretations of words. Especially when it comes to religion.

Example:

I am a good chistian. I shalt not murder.


*KABOOOOM*

that was killing.

and besides haven't you read in the holy scriptures edafion blah blah blah The saint whatever kicked the whatever's behind to protect his goat?


It's amazing. But there can be no reasoning with dogmatism.
Simply view each person for who he really is and write his religious or not believes where the sun doesn't shine

Is the quality of crack in Greece that low? I will go down on the street corner and send you some good stuff ok

[Bereta_Eder]

In other words: Spray reads a clearly defined fully logical position of paiktis, he gets shocked, disagrees and offers him drugs

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by paiktis22
In other words: Spray reads a clearly defined fully logical position of paiktis, he gets shocked, disagrees and offers him drugs

Sorry i just got lost when you mentioned the saints and goats. and figured you got some bad stuff again..

[Bereta_Eder]

It's all in the holy scriptures, not my fault! But it was cosmetics to illustrate the point: religion means nothing by itself. Each man has a core moral and that's what defines him. He can bend whatever he wants to justify his own moral code. And it's by it, itself, that he should be judged, not wether he believes in little Jesus or the blue Unicorn

[Sprayber]

Your right..

All the religion in the world only goes so far. It is up to the individual in the end.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's all in the holy scriptures, not my fault! But it was cosmetics to illustrate the point: religion means nothing by itself. Each man has a core moral and that's what defines him. He can bend whatever he wants to justify his own moral code. And it's by it, itself, that he should be judged, not wether he believes in little Jesus or the blue Unicorn

Very well put. The organization does not matter, but the individual belief does.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
There's no such thing as ethical law. Ethics is about what you ought and ought not do, it's neither binding nor forcing.

Is ther not something called natural law?

Maybe that is Man is naturally peaceful and decent, and the Law is simply there to ensure it stays that way when times are rough.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Very well put. The organization does not matter, but the individual belief does.

So Man does not have a natural inclination to form groups in order to ensure survival? Saying that the organization does not matter, is like saying that the Family does not matter. Extend that to Clan, Tribe and Nation.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

ethical law

[Imran Siddiqui]

Saying that the organization does not matter, is like saying that the Family does not matter

That's right. The family does not matter when it comes to the individual. The individual doesn't believe what his family believes, he believes what he, himself, believes.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Saying that the organization does not matter, is like saying that the Family does not matter

That's right. The family does not matter when it comes to the individual. The individual doesn't believe what his family believes, he believes what he, himself, believes.

So if each individual family member believes that, then the family members still have individual beliefs? Would they not have a commonly shared belief in the individual?

[Imran Siddiqui]

So if each individual family member believes that, then the family members still have individual beliefs?

Of course. Each individual has their own beliefs. Even if that belief is shared with others, that doesn't lead to a lack of individual belief.

[Berzerker]

For example, the law the criminalise the use of nacotics and other drugs vs the law that allows people to have abortions legally.

I always found that "amusing", want to smoke pot but want to kill your baby

As for the question, neither. There are secular laws that are immoral and there are religious laws that are immoral. So a 3rd (or 2nd I suppose) factor or principle has to be added to either secular or religious laws - how about freedom? If the secular or religious law violates freedom, then it should be looked upon with a grain of salt and require justification beyond "I don't like that".

[Imran Siddiqui]

I believe that's what he means by ethical law.

[Berzerker]

Ethics vary like religion