Boris' pissed off and he's telling you why

[Ned]

OB, I think you confuse government regulation of business's right to contract, its prices, and limits on competition that one typically finds in the third world with social democracy, which really is about government programs directed primarily to the poor and that are financed by taxes on a robust economy. To the extent America tries to reduce government regulations on business, America is promoting a better business climate that leads to the robust economy that supports social welfare.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I want a definitive cite that the US fully supported the rebellion against him.

Is a U.S. congressional investigation a definitive source?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Show it then. I want to see where a 'Congressional investigation' said that the US supported the coup.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


And another common factor are the unusually low wages of the workers compared to the unusually high profits of the enterprises.

We can only laugh at the oligarchs' ludicrous hypocrisy when they claim that the free market is improving the poor's condition while they are filling their own pockets with millions.

Every human has just one life. Justice is an ABSOLUTE and IMMEDIATE requirement, that ought not be gradually bought through unnecessary sacrifice and perilous economic development.

OB, it almost universally true that what you define as low wages are significantly higher than the wages they could make without working at the factories. Most times, these wages are orders of magnitude higher.

The level of profit of any company totally depends on the degree of competition. Many, if not most companies, in the US have had little or no profit for some years now.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


Schumpeter I believe it was, a world famous Austrian economist, who was never a 'socialist' however that word is understood, but a conservative, thought monopolies to be a feasible way of running an effecient economy, since what really counts is not free-market competition, but the socalled 'entrepreneurial spirit' (I believe Bush is a believer in that too). Monopolies force people of an entrepreneurial mind to find new products to market instead of competing in a hopeless battle on the same product-line. In that sense monopolies actually increases the product line and hence are catalysts of economic growth.

So to accuse the left of conspiratorial thoughts is in this instance a little too harsh in my oppinion. And I don't think it neccesary to direct people's attention to the fact that quite recently the right have been very prone to believing in vast conspiracies.

We, theories asside, we have actual proof thoughout modern history that competition is what creates new products, improves old ones bring maximum efficiency to their production. Monopolies in contract bring the nothing of the above.

Rightist conspiracy theories? Are you suggesting guys like Mahathir are rightists? If so, then I would agree with you, because conspiracy theories like his are even worse than the conspiracy theories from the likes of Hillary Clinton who again confirmed last week that there is a "vast rightwing conspriracy."

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Show it then. I want to see where a 'Congressional investigation' said that the US supported the coup.

I don't know about that. Carmona and the other plotters found cozy homes in the US afterwards and Condi Rice was gloating when the coup looked like it would succeed.

A doco I saw claimed US involvement, or at least support; but who knows?

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Show it then. I want to see where a 'Congressional investigation' said that the US supported the coup.

The Office of Investor General has published a report in response to questions by sen. Chrisopher Dodd. The report naturally clears SPECIFICALLY the State dept and Embassy Caracas of any complicity. Unfortunately there is a socalled classified annex to the report, which will not be made public in 50 years or so. Here it is probable that the School of Americas have been involved, which I believe is under the jurisdiction of the Defense dept, who after all are the one's running US foreign policy now.

[Winston]

In other words, pure speculation on your part. Which was to be expected.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Winston
In other words, pure speculation on your part. Which was to be expected.

In other words i don't feel like hacking into the classified reports of the US congress, nor the Pentagon, as I am sure is not good for your health.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Classified reports say so... that's hilarious.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ceteram
I am in shock. If the population sample in this thread is representative, we are looking into a very nasty future indeed. Misinformation rules.

I agree. Misinformation rules; one simply has to read your misinformed post to find that out.

How could you possibly argue that the US is NOT on an imperialistic course, securing bases and prime resource areas, while their exceptionally ridiculous prez throws around sentences like "If you're not with us, you're against us", etc...

EVERYONE who knows anything about the context of that speech knows it was specifically targeted at the government of Pakistan. The Pakistans wanted to claim neutrality while continuing to support the Taliban following 9/11. That phrase, which so many left leaning people just love to misquote out of context, was for a very specific case and not as a general policy statement.

[/quote]
Can anybody explain why there are US personnel in Georgia?
First supportive of Shevardnaze, then, once the people kick him out with force, change over to supporting the ex-opposition?!?[/quote]

I'm going to break it down for you. During the last Chechen war the Chechen rebels used a portion of Georgia as a base from which to attack Russian forces in Chechnya & Dugistan. The Georgian government was unable to stop the Rebels and Russia stated that they would invade Georgia unless the rebels were forced out. Since Georgia didn't want to be invaded they asked the US to help them which is exactly what the US is now doing.

One could think that the US is building a new Wonder called "The Bush Pipeline" or maybe "The Freedom Occupations", how does "Live Ammo Training in the Middle East" sound?

How does that sound? It sounds like the rant of a very uninformed little child.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Ned
We, theories asside, we have actual proof thoughout modern history that competition is what creates new products, improves old ones bring maximum efficiency to their production. Monopolies in contract bring the nothing of the above.

I won't be a bore and ask for proof of that, but are you sure that competition in itself creates new products, and not only cheaper products. Also if competition is such a wondercure, why do you have agencies sucking up patents left and right, specifically to ensure that there is no competion. For instance true competition in the medical industry would quite simply kill it off very quickly, as the money requied to research, secure, and market new medicines is now so great that only monopolies and strict patent laws will make any profit possible. Just see the debacle over cheap anti-HIV drugs to the Third World, where after all, they are most needed.

The laws of the free market don't work there.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Classified reports say so... that's hilarious.

Read these and give me your critique.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HAL205A.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/VUL204A.html

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm going to break it down for you. During the last Chechen war the Chechen rebels used a portion of Georgia as a base from which to attack Russian forces in Chechnya & Dugistan. The Georgian government was unable to stop the Rebels and Russia stated that they would invade Georgia unless the rebels were forced out. Since Georgia didn't want to be invaded they asked the US to help them which is exactly what the US is now doing.

I'm sorry but how can Russia invade Georgia when they already have military bases there. That would be like the US invading Qatar.

And how is the US 'helping' by planning the overthrow of Sjevardnadse and replacing him with a psychotic nationalist mafia boss, whose supporters like to wave with Christian Crusader flags to scare the Muslim minorities.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Both are editorials. They are trying to link some support by the CIA in the past with the coup. Claiming that Chile's coup had anything to do with this one and both defame Otto Reich. Not to mention one of those editorials are from the Observer... tabloids normally should not be trusted for news.