Has the time come for a revived CSA?

[Cyclotron]

Dr. Strangelove, I was under the impression that the reason there were so many Hispanic people in Texas, California, New Mexico, and Arizona was because they were trying to get away from Mother Mexico.

JT QUOTE EDITED OUT BY MING...

I miss you, JT.

[Al B. Sure!]

can all the urban blacks, ricans, italians, and irish be honourary southernors? we're poor and eat fried chicken too. and we can't seem to pronounce our r's either.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
can all the urban blacks, ricans, italians, and irish be honourary southernors? we're poor and eat fried chicken too.

Only if you stop using unnecessary u's.

[Ned]

This is all a Democrat plot to again become the majority party in the US.

[Jaguar]

I'd support such a movement. Speaking of movement, I would move a few miles south to Virginia if it ever happened.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Albert Speer


if hispanic Texans want to be part of Mexico, why did they come across the border in the first place?

To reclaim their rightful property!

[Jaguar]

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by David Floyd
che,



As for kicking our ass, I suggest you look up the geographic breakdown for where the Army's recruits come from, and where most of it's major bases are. That's right, the South

Aren't all of the strategic nuclear missles and the strategic bomber bases located on traditionally Yankee soil?

Even if they wanted to, we wouldn't allow them. They can walk back across the border if they want, of course - but then again I'm sure they'll quickly remember what Mexico is like and scurry on back

Even the ones who are citizens? Isn't that terribly anti-democratic of you? Are you saying that the new CSA will be a racist nation?

[Dr Strangelove]

One more question: Who gets West Virginia?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

If that flag offends you, it is because you have not been taught what it really stands for. It stands for the rights of the States. Rights that are specifically reserved in the US constitution, but were torn away by a growing federal government. Those of you that protest many of the actions that the US federal government are now taking would probably support the political ideals of the Confederacy. You must remember that slavery was not the only issue. Slavery was legal when the US became a country as well. It is Not anywhere on the Southern agenda of today. It exists only in the minds of uninformed Yankees.

Bull****. States dont have the right to infringe on the rights of others, or to coerce them into working for free. And btw, your fearless leaders dont believe in states rights either: they just play any fiddle to keep more power to themselves. Take John Ashcroft, a true American patriot. While he was governor, he was pro states rights. Now that hes attorney general, hes trying to prosecute medical weed users in California, when the people of california have ratified the use of it. Smooth move Asscroft.

And btw, slavery wasnt legal, it just wasnt illegal. Maybe people forgot to read the constitution since it states that all men are created equal. That was a real bugger to plantation owners, and the southern business class. So to get around it, the southern states said that slaves arnt people, they are property. But then to get more representation in congress, they counted each slave as 3/5th of a person. What a sham.

[David Floyd]

Aren't all of the strategic nuclear missles and the strategic bomber bases located on traditionally Yankee soil?

True, but Southern military installations - such as the SSBN base at King's Bay, Georgia, would have more than enough nuclear weapons to hit the North right back

Even the ones who are citizens? Isn't that terribly anti-democratic of you? Are you saying that the new CSA will be a racist nation?

Who ever said I favored democracy?

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Slavery wasn't the overwhelmingly primary issue on the minds of Secessionists in 1860 - 1861? Perhaps you need a link to a website offering the very words of those same secessionists preserved in electronic heaven. Here you go, read on and be educated: http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/causes.html

Thanks for the link Dr. Strangelove. It really is educational. The first quote I pulled up was the Governor's message to the Tennessee State Legislature. Here is an excerpt that I believe will clarify my point and your misconception:

The systematic, wanton, and long continued agitation of the slavery question, with the actual and threatened aggressions of the Northern States and a portion of their people, upon the well-defined constitutional rights of the Southern citizen; the rapid growth and increase, in all the elements of power, of a purely sectional party, whose bond of union is uncompromising hostility to the rights and institutions of the fifteen Southern States

Yes slavery was an important issue for the South. There is no doubt...their economy relied heavily on it. Look a little deeper at the message though..."upon the well defined constitutional rights of the Southern Citizen". This statement usually means to northerners that the South looked upon slavery as a constitutional right. Not so...The South looked upon the constitution as reserving the issue to the States to determine in the abscense of constitutional guidance. Did this make slavery the issue or was it merely the issue of the moment for the South. The modern Southerner, who is still very State's rights oriented, takes the latter position. The idea that a New South would want a return to slavery is completely and uterly ludicrous. The idea that rights not given to the federal government reside with the States is very much alive and the source of talk about a New South.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


Bull****. States dont have the right to infringe on the rights of others, or to coerce them into working for free. And btw, your fearless leaders dont believe in states rights either: they just play any fiddle to keep more power to themselves. Take John Ashcroft, a true American patriot. While he was governor, he was pro states rights. Now that hes attorney general, hes trying to prosecute medical weed users in California, when the people of california have ratified the use of it. Smooth move Asscroft.

And btw, slavery wasnt legal, it just wasnt illegal. Maybe people forgot to read the constitution since it states that all men are created equal. That was a real bugger to plantation owners, and the southern business class. So to get around it, the southern states said that slaves arnt people, they are property. But then to get more representation in congress, they counted each slave as 3/5th of a person. What a sham.

You so TOTALLY miss the point.

[monkspider]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
If I had been for a rebirth of CSA, you can bet I'd jump off the bandwagon when some lowlife dirty Commie touts it, Monkspider.

Bugger off Tex, you need a good commie to call the shots around there.

[MrFun]

Re: Has the time come for a revived CSA?

Originally posted by monkspider
Given that America is probably the most polarized it's ever been 1860, I think it's time that our friends south of the mason-dixon finally get their independence.

If you think about it, I think everyone would be much happier. The CSA would be able to do away with social reforms, the yankee carpetbaggers would be able to create the ideal welfare state. Texas would be able to do it' s own thing. Heck, Hawaii could even have bring back the monarchy. Plus, the rest of the world would be happy to see a huge, monolithic American hyperpower disappear. I could even help create that independent Wichita Commune that I always wanted to see.

So if and when the south rises again, you can bet your confederate dollars I will be on the front lines waving the stars and bars. Because, let's face it, no one is happy with America in it's present state. The people of America have diverse enough interests that they should be allowed to follow their own destiny. Sure, we can all unite again later to create a socialist brotherhood, but for now I think this would be for the best. Who is with me?

HA!!! If you want real contemporary polarization by regions, you should have looked at the presidental election results map of 2000.


And no, I never want to see any state seceding from United States.