killography

[Boris Godunov]

I've been playing GTA3 for a couple of months now, and I think it's actually reduced my urge to kill all youse *****es.

[Q Classic]

so it's ok to kill people en masse when they're tiny, but not ok to kill them when they're larger. got it.

placing a label on these games will only let parents get out of parenting. a good parent, if they were concerned about this stuff, would actively check to see what games the kid is playing.

[lord of the mark]

"87% of boys play M-rated games as do 46% of girls.
78% of boys report that M-rated games are among their top five favorites, and 40% say their favorite game is rated M.
77% of boys own M-rated games with one in five reporting that they purchased an M-rated game without their parent's knowledge. "

[Q Classic]

and? you could probably get equally scary statistics about how x number of boys rented an NC-17 or R rated movie without their parents knowledge.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
creating words for the hell of it is an asstastic pasttime.

attaching "killographic" to try and stigmatise gratuitously violent games is merely adding another word to subvert.

why?

go to the mall. look in the stores. you will see girl's babydoll tees that say "porn star".

despite the above, i think porn still commands a stigma - so some will subvert it - its constant war.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
so it's ok to kill people en masse when they're tiny, but not ok to kill them when they're larger. got it.

placing a label on these games will only let parents get out of parenting. a good parent, if they were concerned about this stuff, would actively check to see what games the kid is playing.

They mention RON's historical context - and yes, it probably is worse for kids to take the role of a shooter than of a general - one is more immediate, immersive, in the gut etc. But why do i go on?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
and? you could probably get equally scary statistics about how x number of boys rented an NC-17 or R rated movie without their parents knowledge.

One of the things they pointed out was that video game retailers really dont enforce the ratings system - movie theaters at least attempt to - im not sure about video retailers - in any case, why does that make this less of a concern?

Note also that movies do sometimes get NC-17 ratings. Games almost never get AO ratings.

[Q Classic]

note, lotm, that i'm not arguing that some games are definitely worse for kids than others.

note that i also don't disagree that some games to contain gratuitous violence.

my gripe with the issue is the fact that these people, disturbed with the fact that too many parents are too lazy-assed to parent their kids, felt the need to create a new (useless) label rather than to suggest workable ways for effective parenting.

[Q Classic]

note that the movies that often get nc-17 ratings tend to be sex movies.

note that most computer games for mass consumption do not tend to be about sex.

[Q Classic]

note that Medal of Honor: Allied Advance or whatever it was called has historical context.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
so it's ok to kill people en masse when they're tiny, but not ok to kill them when they're larger. got it.

placing a label on these games will only let parents get out of parenting. a good parent, if they were concerned about this stuff, would actively check to see what games the kid is playing.

well thats why this site goes beyond the label and provides a review for parents.


so you think that if there were no labels parents would THEN carefully check each game? When the survey shows plenty of parents dont even check the label now?

I agree that parents should go beyond the labels and check the games - but i think its good to have things that help parents - some of whom are far less game and computer literate than I am.


How exactly is the parental supervision supposed to work? Are they supposed to stand over their kids every minute the kid is playing a game? Or are they supposed to play the entire game through to see what it contains? So to be a good parent you have to be able to play GTA, FPS' etc at all levels? Thats absurd.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
note, lotm, that i'm not arguing that some games are definitely worse for kids than others.

note that i also don't disagree that some games to contain gratuitous violence.

my gripe with the issue is the fact that these people, disturbed with the fact that too many parents are too lazy-assed to parent their kids, felt the need to create a new (useless) label rather than to suggest workable ways for effective parenting.

Note i dont think labels solve every game related problem. Note I dont call for censorship.


My gripe is that some people blame everything on parents, dont have any idea of how hard parenting is, and would fight against a helpful labeling system.

[Q Classic]

no, what i'm saying is that if parents don't check the labels, what's the point in making another one? will they suddenly say: "my god! i've been ignoring them all this time!"

parental supervision: finding out enough about the game, i.e., through reviews on such sites like familymedia, and then making a decision whether to allow such games to be installed on the home computer or not.
parental supervision with dvds, movies, and home videos do not differ much from that.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
no, what i'm saying is that if parents don't check the labels, what's the point in making another one? will they suddenly say: "my god! i've been ignoring them all this time!"

parental supervision: finding out enough about the game, i.e., through reviews on such sites like familymedia, and then making a decision whether to allow such games to be installed on the home computer or not.
parental supervision with dvds, movies, and home videos do not differ much from that.

they didnt ask for another label - they use "killographic" in their discussion of certain games, they do not ask that the current ESRB rating system be changed. You didnt read what they say on their site, did you? er, uhm, "lazy-assed"?

[lord of the mark]

Here are their recommendations:

"Recommendations

Eliminate double messages to parents and educate them about why it is important to monitor game play and observe the ratings. The reasons should be based on scientific evidence about both the potential benefits of educational games and the potential harm of violent games.
Retailers without policies should adopt and enforce verifiable policies that prevent children and teens from buying M-rated games without parental permission.
Retailers with policies should diligently enforce them.
The ESRB should apply the AO rating in accordance with their own guidelines.
The Advertising Review Council should continue to enforce guidelines for marketing and advertising. "


Which of these do you disagree with.