BREAKING NEWS: Gore will endorse Howard Dean!

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I figured you get enough trolls in your sex life, I could spare you that here.

I think you forgot to write: "Snap!"

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I figured you get enough trolls in your sex life, I could spare you that here.

I have problems with my sex life??

[Boris Godunov]

Well, not if we go by the inscriptions on the men's room wall, no.

Threadjack over, promise.

[Tuberski]

The threadjack is more interesting than Gore.



ACK!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Well, not if we go by the inscriptions on the men's room wall, no.

Threadjack over, promise.

Speak for yourself on that one.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Tuberski
The threadjack is more interesting than Gore.



ACK!

Damning with faint praise?

[Sava]

Sava: I agree, but I think GWBs position is far easier to publicise, and that Dean will be seen as a higher tax candidate by the people. I don't give the public enough credit to be able to see the follow on effects much.

And while that's true, other polls show Bush winning against every Dem nominee. It all depends on how the WoT goes, and if people get fed up of Enron style scandals and want it cleaned up. I can't see it happening, but I hope so.

A lot can happen, but I think GWB has by far the easiest position to sell to the people and is the incumbent (hard to run against). I think the odds are strongly in GWBs favour

don't be so sure... MSNBC is reporting Bush's approval rating is now below 50%... 49% approve... 51% disapprove.

his days are numbered.

[Drake Tungsten]

his days are numbered.

Yep. Only 1825 days to go.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Sava

don't be so sure... MSNBC is reporting Bush's approval rating is now below 50%... 49% approve... 51% disapprove.

his days are numbered.

Don't be so quick to celeberate. First off, www.nationaljournal.com, which is what political insiders use, is still showing the rating at 52% approval 34% disapproval. Clinton and Reagan both had much lower approval rarting at this point of their first term then Bush does now, and yet both went on to decisive victories in their re-election campaign.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

Oh, wait I forgot--all Democrats must be evil, rotten people. Why not just have bot post "Democrats suck!" instead of bothering to post, Ned?

To the extent a Democrat sticks to issues and does not simply recite mindlessly that "I hate Bush" or some such crap, I listen. Among my favorite Democrats are JFK and Governor Moonbeam, Gerry Brown. (He still is one of my favorite politicians.) But when all the candidates are simple haters of one extreme or another, how do you expect a Republican to respond? (I except Kerry and Lieberman from the hate mongering.)

The major fault is not in the Republican reaction to the vitriolic campaign being conducted by the Democrats. It is in the Democrats who think that hate mongering is acceptable politics.

[MrFun]

I have two questions:

1) There are number of terms limit set for a president -- but is there the same limitation for number of times someone can serve as vice-president??

2) If not, then who thinks that Al Gore would be setting his sights on being a vice-presidential candidate under Dean after the primary??

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by MrFun
I have two questions:

1) There are number of terms limit set for a president -- but is there the same limitation for number of times someone can serve as vice-president??

2) If not, then who thinks that Al Gore would be setting his sights on being a vice-presidential candidate under Dean after the primary??

1) No.

2) No, but that's really doubtful. Gore's done as a politician, and is now playing party elder. The thing about politicians is that -- with the notable exception of JQ Adams and not-so-notable exception of Richard Nixon -- they don't tend to make downward or lateral career moves, because that makes them look like losers (or more like losers, if you prefer). There's no percentage in Gore being Vice President again; he'd be a laughing stock and he'd never be taken seriously as a presidential candidate (though I think he's done with that, too; he's no Nixon). Whatever it is he wants to do with his life, he can do it more effectively by not being Veep.

No, I think Gore's trying to help the party beat Bush (and his motives there are surely personal as well a political, and who could blame him). Bush faces no primary opponents; by contrast, the Dems could have a long, bloody primary season that would only damage their eventual nominee and help Bush. The best way to avoid that is to consolidate support around a single candidate early enough -- exactly the tactic the GOP used with Bush in 2000. Of course, the Dems being the Dems, their attempt is half-hearted and half-assed.

[Ned]

Rufus et al., at least according to one theory propounded that Chris Matthews show last night, is that Gore is pulling the Nixon strategy of backing Goldwater during the 1964 campaign. By doing this, Nixon obtained the loyalty of the conservatives who then backed Nixon during 1968 primaries to nominate him over Rockefeller and other moderate to liberal Republicans. Nixon then won the presidential race.

By backing Dean this time, Gore obtains the loyalty of the radical, antiwar Democrat base that he hopes will support him in a second run for the presidency in 2008. Gore's likely candidate in 2008 of course is Hillary Clinton, who voted for the war, who continues to defend that vote and is sounding increasing hawkish on Iraq.

[Agathon]

Perhaps you are missing the point here. The Dems have failed at trying to woo middle of the road voters and the alternative strategy is to mobilize one's own base. Judging by the number of people that don't vote this is as good a strategy as any. If Nader doesn't run, and I don't think he will, Dean will pick up most of those votes.

Another advantage that Dean has is that he is an insurgent candidate. If John McCain had won the Republican nomination in 2000 I think he would have won the election handily based on his appeal to disillusioned voters.

Bush won't get any breaks this time. In 2000 he was the newcomer, which meant that Gore couldn't beat up on him without looking bad. This time he is the incumbent and that means no breaks. Dean is a fearsome orator and will tear him apart in debate.

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Oddly enough, one of the big winners has been Al Sharpton. He's raised his own profile tenfold and has positioned himself to be the #1 African American for the foreseeable future.

[Agathon]

Anyone who saw Gore's speech on CSPAN ought to know that he's for real when it comes to Dean.