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    This is a real whopper. The French government backed out of a $600 million deal to settle the Executive Life fraud affair. I don't know what they are thinking! The US attorney has the French state/Credit Agricole/Credit Lyonnaise sooo over the barrel on this one and everybody knows it.

    Bigger organizations and people than these have been brought low in this country with litigation and regulation with nary a tear. And this is going to go on an on. The indictments and subpoenas are going to flow like a river. The attorneys fees alone will run into the tens of millions of dollars. And then at the end of the day, the jury will find out that 200,000 Californians were defrauded and the jury will be baying for blood.

    So why don't they just eat their humble pie and settle the damn thing?

    US set to publicise Executive Life charges
    By Adrian Michaels in New York and Jo Johnson and Martin Arnold in Paris
    Published: December 3 2003 20:55 | Last Updated: December 3 2003 20:55

    US prosecutors were preparing on Wednesday to go public with criminal charges against prominent French financial institutions and individuals following the breakdown of talks in the Executive Life affair.

    The US attorney's office in Los Angeles - a branch of the justice department - already has indictments under seal that allege wrongdoing in the takeover by Credit Lyonnais of Executive Life, a US insurer, in 1991.

    This week's breakdown in talks looked irreparable, people on all sides said on Wednesday. Nonetheless they warned that the threat of reputational damage to France when the indictments are unsealed could yet bring the sides back into negotiations.

    A deal involving a $585m (€484m) payment and limited recognition of guilt that the insurance bail-out was fraudulently arranged was scuppered because it did not provide legal protection for François Pinault, the retail magnate and friend of Jacques Chirac, French president.

    The indictments will not be unsealed for at least a couple of weeks, people close to the talks said.

    The French state has assumed responsibility for many of the bad debts and liabilities of the bank, which has since merged with Credit Agricole, and whose licence in the US could be revoked if it is indicted.

    The likelihood that France will soon find itself in the dock before a Californian jury provoked dismay in Paris yesterday. The tone of French newspaper editorials has switched from anti-Americanism to criticism of Mr Chirac. His decision to scupper the plan has been judged risky.

    Separately, the Executive Life affair is also putting strain on the relationship between Mr Pinault and Lyonnais. A senior Agricole executive said Mr Pinault had requested a fresh loan of "several tens of million euros" from Lyonnais to help cover his potential exposure to the Executive Life affair. However, the executive said Agricole was not keen to agree to the new loan. A spokesperson for Artemis, Mr Pinault's holding company, has denied he faces funding difficulties.
    Last edited by DanS; December 3, 2003, 22:42.
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  • #2
    Wow..how utterly dry and boring..just like most White Collar crime.
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    • #3
      A good chunk of the French business elite being brought up on criminal charges in the US doesn't stir your interest?
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #4
        1) This one is mainly for the French Polytubbies. Has Chirac ever been this blatant with his connections to certain people in the business world before?

        2) A good chunk of the French business elite being brought up on criminal charges in the US doesn't stir your interest?

        I couldn't tell from the article but how many people besides François Pinault are of interest to the prosecutors?

        I must say though that I join you in your confusion over the French are thus far refusing to settle (surrender ).
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DanS
          A good chunk of the French business elite being brought up on criminal charges in the US doesn't stir your interest?
          NO. white colar crime is boring as heck, which is why it is possible to get away with it.

          Want to peak my interest? Make the penalty for being found guilty death by quartering, instead of the usual money changing hands.
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          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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          • #6
            let's loot the money they owe us.
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            • #7
              I couldn't tell from the article but how many people besides François Pinault are of interest to the prosecutors?
              Quite a few, I would imagine, including the former head of Lyonnaise. Keep in mind that Credit Lyonnaise was owned by the French state for a good chunk of the time that this fraud occured. So it is said that the US wants $500 million from the state and $275 million from Pinault to settle. The trial would ask for $3 billion damages plus any punitive damages the jury awards.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #8
                Oops. Forgot to mention $2.5 billion in restitution that the State of California will be seeking in a separate suit, if the French don't play ball.

                Here's a "Barbarians at the Gate", really interesting article excerpt by the Institutional Investor. I wish Sten or somebody else would stop by and copy the entire article from their web site with his subscription.

                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #9
                  So THAT'S how Ahnold is gonna balance the budget
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                  • #10
                    Here's a teaser for the Institutional Investor...

                    On January 16, as France prepared to publicly denounce American policy toward Iraq, a senior French government official arrived at the U.S. Justice Department in Washington, D.C., to beg, in secret, for mercy.

                    It was afternoon, and the emissary, Jean-David Levitte, France's dapper ambassador to the U.S. and a close confidant of President Jacques Chirac, was shown to a small, plain conference room on the second floor of the Justice Department's imposing limestone-and-granite headquarters, which occupy an entire block formed by Pennsylvania and Constitution Avenues and 9th and 10th Streets. He was accompanied by several aides and a pair of prominent, high-priced American lawyers. Across a long, narrow table they faced a phalanx of senior U.S. officials.

                    "Please understand the importance of Crédit Lyonnais to the French government," Levitte pleaded, as snow fell steadily in the tall windows that looked out on 10th Street. "It would be devastating if it were indicted."
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #11
                      Chirac is starting to sound a lot like Clinton who amassed millions in exchange for pardons during the closing days of his administration. One of those investigations, I have heard, is still ongoing and leading right at HRC.
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                      • #12


                        I bet Bush is getting a good laugh over THAT
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                        • #13
                          The charges brought upon the French are obviously politically motivated.

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                          • #14
                            Not unlike the French-directed, retaliatory tarriffs (from the US steel tarriffs) targeting critical Bush states in the next elections.
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                            • #15
                              Now boys - Let's not turn this thread into a America slap France - France slap America Thread!.
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