Officially Christmas time.

[Spec]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


I had one on in my living room (aquired before it was banned), until my 2 year old daughter smashed it against the floor. Well, it's easy to forgive your kids, but it surely was a waste...

I'm glad it's destroyed.

My shoes and gloves are made from genuine lether

I am all for that. If you kill a cow for the meat, use it fully for every thing else. Skinned seals are only used for clothes. Just like buffalos when the english killed them all, only for the fur and not the meat.

Why would a woman need an animal fur, when she has her own?

I agree.


Spec.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Spec

Because they dont give a shlt and they dont have guns.

They have guns, but shooting the seal cubs would destroy the fur.

(It's true)

[Spec]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


They have guns, but shooting the seal cubs would destroy the fur.

(It's true)

Yea...maybe with a shotgun....but not with a 22 calier rifle threw the head.

Spec.

[Gangerolf]

You guys are lucky I'm here to educate you!


Seals and Seal-hunting - The facts and the myths - courtesy of the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Norwegian seal-hunting - sound resource management

In order to maintain seal populations at a reasonable level they must be culled. This is why Norway permits seal hunting. The daily energy requirement of a seal is 2.5-3 kilos of herring or capelin. The huge seal populations are making major inroads into fish stocks, including those that provide food for humans. In the North-East Atlantic, the harp seal alone eats as much herring as is caught by Norwegian fishermen.

"Luxury hunting"

Seals have traditionally been hunted for their blubber and fur. Most of the skins are used for common leather products such as shoes, gloves and clothes. Norway does not permit the hunting of whitecoats and suckling bluebacks, whose fur is the most sought after.

Parts of the meat and blubber are used for food in the same way as meat from other game or farm animals. The blubber is rich in omega-3 fatty acids which, as modern research has indicated, can play a significant role in preventing the most common cardio-vascular diseases.

"Primitive methods of hunting"

The only tools of slaughter Norwegian seal-hunters are permitted to use are the rifle and the "hakapik" (corresponds roughly to the Newfoundland gaff). Adult seals are shot with a rifle, while young seals are put to death with a "hakapik" or rifle. As a method of destruction, the killing of young seals by rifle has proven to be just as effective as the use of the "hakapik". The "hakapik" is also used on seals which have been shot in order to make sure they are dead. The "hakapik" may look primitive, but it is a simple and effective tool which ensures immediate loss of consciousness and rapid death.

According to a 1993 report from the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, "clubbing", if correctly carried out, is as good as the usual methods of slaughter, causing the animal to die in the course of a few seconds.

Norwegian hunters are required to take courses and shooting tests before the sealing season starts.

"The seal is flayed while it is still alive"

Films have been shown of seals which appear to be "alive" even after death. Spasms in the body of a dead seal are a natural phenomenon. The seal spends a great deal of time under water and its blood is therefore capable of storing large amounts of oxygen. In addition, a seal's muscles can function for a while without a supply of oxygen. Consequently, the seal's body can display powerful spasms for a long time after its death.

"The seal cries"

The fluid in a seal's eye protects the cornea and has nothing to do with weeping. This fluid runs out of the eye because a seal's tear ducts are different from those of other animals.

[Chemical Ollie]

What about that TV photographer you expelled to Sweden for being "unpatriotic" on the seal hunting?

[Dinner]

Redirecting the thread back on to the topic. Even Santa gets cold sometimes.

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[Flubber]

Originally posted by Spec
Life feeds on life. But superficial stuff made out of animals is INHUMAN imo. They dont eat those seals you know, they only take the skin to make coats and they have to club the seals so that it doesn't die so the skin stays soft by the time they skin it off.

Spec.

Learn what you are talking about. You are spouting the stuff the animal rights groups use for propoganda.

The Fogo Fisherman's co-operative sold every part of the seal they could. My father and grandfather would be shocked to hear that no one eats seal since they ate it reasonably frequently and " flipper pie" is a traditional recipe. I believe the bones are ground and used for something as well and seal oils has a number of uses.

In fact, finding alternate uses caused trouble as well. When fisherman found a market for seal penises . . (some Asian countries grind up the penis and use it as an aphrodesiac) there was a hue and cry over that as well as they were accused of killing seals only for the penis.

I'm not sure but I believe that shooting was looked at as an alternative and found to be ineffective for some reason

[Spec]

Flubber, not everyone does not eat seal. If you read all the posts you will find out that when men with sticks hit the seal to render them unconcious it is not to eat them but to skin them only.
Seal is a meal, and I am all for hunting them if the population is controled and the WHOLE body is used.

Killing an animal for it's skin or horns only is pure animal CRUALTY.

Period.

Spec.

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
What about that TV photographer you expelled to Sweden for being "unpatriotic" on the seal hunting?

I don't remember much about that... Do you? I think he felt threatened by the sealhunters or something. Anyway, you can't be expelled for being unpatriotic

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Flubber

However I know of no evidence that clubbing is any more or less humane than the method used to slaughter cows, pigs, chickens, sheep . . ..

I had no idea it was that inhumane.

[Dinner]

It's not a joke but dancing Santas certainly fit the Xmas theme (unlike the debate about seal beating).

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Spec

Wrong. They dont eat all the fish, we do. They re-authorized seal hunting to reduce their fish consomation so that we would have more. They are just twisting the facts around so that it seems alright to kill seals.


Spec.

The thousands of displaced fishermen who have lost their livlihood with the closure of the east coast cod fishery will be happy to know that you support the seals right to eat the fish.

Nobody is stupid enough to say that humans don't eat fish. . . Of course we do. To me its simple

1. Humans fish-- its food and its good economically for the fisherman.

2. Seals eat fish--seals are also a source of food, oils, furs, aphrodesiacs etc and there is a market for these products

3. Killing seals creates a marketable product and helps reduce the number of predators killing the various fish stocks, hopefully reducing the time until Canadaian fishermen can begin a fuller harvest.


Any films showing animals skinned alive are either old footage, the exception ( there are bad practices in every industry) or staged propoganda ( don't laugh-- the seal hunt is a big money maker for some animal rights groups)


I believe that humans use animals. I believe it should be done without cruelty and the most humane method possible used.

[Gangerolf]

Films have been shown of seals which appear to be "alive" even after death. Spasms in the body of a dead seal are a natural phenomenon. The seal spends a great deal of time under water and its blood is therefore capable of storing large amounts of oxygen. In addition, a seal's muscles can function for a while without a supply of oxygen. Consequently, the seal's body can display powerful spasms for a long time after its death.