Drug thread: GHB: why the hell is it banned?

[Az]

Originally posted by Trip

You honestly think it would be okay that more women got raped so more guys could get high?

The point is that women get raped anyway. This hasn't changed.

Also, as you see, a substance that transforms into GHB is freely available on the market.

What do we have?

-Women get raped.
-Normal, good users are at risk of using bad ****.

If we'd legalize it, and tax it, we could at least solve the problem of good users being hurt for nothing. I am not talking about the medicinal qualities of the drug, which is an addition.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The point is that women get raped anyway.

Should we make it easier for women to get raped by legalizing a drug, which is mainly used for getting girls raped?

[Japher]

[sarcasm]Heck, if women just gave it up to who ever asked we wouldn't need a drug for that[/sarcasm]

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Azazel


The point is that women get raped anyway. This hasn't changed.

Also, as you see, a substance that transforms into GHB is freely available on the market.

What do we have?

-Women get raped.
-Normal, good users are at risk of using bad ****.

If we'd legalize it, and tax it, we could at least solve the problem of good users being hurt for nothing. I am not talking about the medicinal qualities of the drug, which is an addition.

Using that analogy we might as well legalize automatic weapons and army surplus because people are killed by weapons anyways, we might as well provide the good guys with better ways to protect themselves. Right?

I'm glad you're not in charge of legislation around here.

[Az]

Originally posted by Japher
"Gamma-hydroxy butyrate (GHB) is a naturally occurring substance that is nonaddictive and proven safe, yet FDA and media hype have prevented the public from reaping its benefits. GHB has been shown to improve sleep, encourage weight loss and muscle strength, enhance mood, improve sex, and possibly prolong life. "

Which of these benefits cannot be obtained by any number of OTHER non-addictive drugs, life style CHOICES, and diet that cannot also be used as rape aide?

-Don't know the answer?
-Don't know enough about all the other drugs available?

IF there would be a drug that had all the qualties except being a rape aide, I'd ok the ban. but this punishes people, for no fault AT ALL, and achieves little to nothing.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Azazel
and achieves little to nothing.

Care to back this up?

[Imran Siddiqui]

this punishes people, for no fault AT ALL, and achieves little to nothing.

I'd say preventing numerous rapes because of the hardship in getting the drug is more than 'little to nothing'.

[Snotty]

Youre trolling now right? Its ok to admit it.

[Az]

No I am not. the same effect can be achieved with sleeping pills, and Ruhypnol, which is a perscription drug. Therefore, it's not preventing ****.

[Jon Shafer]

There's a reason why GHB is the #1 used date rape drug...

[Az]

actually, I think Ruhypnol is.

[Guynemer]

I am appalled at this thread.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Azazel
actually, I think Ruhypnol is.

It's also illegal.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Azazel
actually, I think Ruhypnol is.

No, GHB is - your opinion isn't worth warping reality (as with the "educated" stances of many is this thread). Rohypnol has been made schedule 1 in the states which makes it completely illegal, most due to the media hype which fell on it as a growing prescription. In the the countries where roofies are still scheduled for prescription, the binders have been made to make any drinks change chaotically noticeable - ie.) color, taste, smell, fizz & foam

GHB is more often used as method of rape in the western world than any weapon - I can't bring up some useless official statistic you'd like on it as well. This is because it's more often not reported the hazy day after as opposed to having a ****ing blade held to your throat in relative sobriety. A high portion of "dates" simply think they drank too much, and/or can't remember what happened. If they do suspect (yes, many lady likes still know what it's like to be able to tell when and when not you've had sex/been sodomized the night before) - proof is near nill when memory is blanche even when people saw who you went home with.

If you live in the real world, and hang out especially with a lot of rave & bar star moron types - it becomes quite sickeningly apparent how often this stuff is used for "non violent" rape even when a scehduled street drug.

[Zylka]

And as for social use; this isn't exactly the wonder drug to safely replace alcohol, marijuana etc.

A moderate to high dose of G basically feels somewhere between being incredibly drunk and stoned on ecstasy at the same time. It's definitely a lot more euphoric and sluggish/clumsy than alcohol.

What you're not hearing in this thread is its insane dosage curve, comparable to but much higher than that of alcohol. Any one of you could slip back a cap of the stuff and be having the greatest feeling time of your life, only to take another half and end up in a temporary coma on the floor suffocating in your own vomit.

I'm sure you've heard countless stories of "ecstasy" overdoses at the clubs or raves - many of them subsequently hospitalized, correct? %90 of the time those are actually someone progressively slamming back GHB - the people around the users knowing only the old myth that it's actually "liquid E". This happens without any alcohol present - but when those (often who even know not to mix alcohol with it) have a casual beer on the side, you're in BIG trouble. We're talking quite literally a moderate chance of death after one drink. You're telling me that if made legal, 12 year old kids lifting it from Dad's stash who don't yet know any better are safe from ye olde coma of mixing yore, as well as "death"?

Sure this stuff isn't as toxic to the body as alcohol - but it is toxic; not as you say otherwise, Azazel. It is EXTREMELY addictive, both physically and psychologically - and a G addiction isn't a very fun or productive thing to start handing out commercially. Think worse than alcoholism or anything pot brings to a person; so save your hackneyed "hypocrisy of legalized drinking" crap, Berz (unless you enjoy or think it rhetorically productive being the only one here who reads that as logical)

All in all, society should turn more to educating on widely available substances that slowly damage and/or kill people; ie) tobacco, alcohol, ecstasy, marijuana etc. When we can't even handle this on current scale; what the **** good is legalizing substances that kill quickly and easily?

Add GHB to the likes of coke and heroin. So why the complaints? The stuff is garbage, and the few that can use it responsibly already have knowlege of and access to it.