Drug thread: GHB: why the hell is it banned?

[centrifuge]

Originally posted by rixxe
Anyway, buy GBL (a product to clean carpets). This substance changes to GHB in the body.

No offense, but you'd have to be a real ****ing idiot to ingest carpet cleaner.

[Az]

gooo chemists!

rixxe is right, I think, centrifuge, in the case of this particular carper cleaner. The problem is, god knows what else and in what quantities is thee.

[centrifuge]

Originally posted by Azazel
gooo chemists!

rixxe is right, I think, centrifuge, in the case of this particular carper cleaner. The problem is, god knows what else and in what quantities is thee.

Although I didn't say it, that was my main point. Aside from the fact that I really don't think that GHB is good for anything productive, to go around imbibing in household products is never a good idea. Just make sure that you have the number for poison control handy

[Az]

[Snotty]

Originally posted by Berzerker

And you've never heard the phrase "liquer's quicker"? It's a phrase some guys use in their effort to get laid by getting a woman drunk.

I know the saying, and perhaps I should have said 'liquors quicker, GHB's quickest' because it is. No more of that pesky waiting for women to get drunk when you can get the same effect with a capful.

So people who use this drug should be punished because of those who use it to commit rape?

No, but if it would be much easier for a potential rapist to buy the stuff if it was legal. GHB is more difficult to get hold because it is illegal. If any ******* could walk into a store and buy this stuff it would lead to more rapes. Im sure you can see the link. It would also lead to more happy GHB users, but thats not worth the increased number of rapes.

I certainly do consider it valid because freedom is valid, and people who use it recreationally should not be punished because of people with nefarious motives.

The reverse of your arguement is should women be punished (raped) just because people want to use GHB legally?

I dont mean to get on your case berz, Im all for legalization. Just not this one. Theres too many dicks in the world for this to be easily available.

[Az]

No, but if it would be much easier for a potential rapist to buy the stuff if it was legal. GHB is more difficult to get hold because it is illegal. If any ******* could walk into a store and buy this stuff it would lead to more rapes. Im sure you can see the link. It would also lead to more happy GHB users, but thats not worth the increased number of rapes.

You're kidding, right? A person can get any drug with fair ease. Legalizing it will not lead to an increase in the amount of rapes.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Berzerker
I'm not getting an answer, why should people who don't slip others this drug w/o their knowledge be punished because of those who do? I can walk up to anyone on the street and slip a knife into them too, that doesn't mean people who own knives should be punished.

If there are other anesthetics that work perfectly fine why legalize one that has such a horrible side effect?

You seem to think that people are responsible enough that if something has one "positive" use then it should be perfectly fine to legalize, despite the other ramifications which may ensue.

Should we allow monopolies in the economy because some monpolies are good? Or should we penalize the possible good monopolies because more end up being bad? Or how about automatic weapons. Or any number of other things which may have a "good" use when used responsibly but also have a dark side that makes it better for society because they're illegal and access is either restricted or prevented.

I'd sleep better at night with GHB illegal and knowing that a few rapes were prevented than if it were legal knowing some guys got a good high instead. You make it sound like some moral crusade or something... oh no, people can't get high, woe!

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Azazel

No, but if it would be much easier for a potential rapist to buy the stuff if it was legal. GHB is more difficult to get hold because it is illegal. If any ******* could walk into a store and buy this stuff it would lead to more rapes. Im sure you can see the link. It would also lead to more happy GHB users, but thats not worth the increased number of rapes.

You're kidding, right? A person can get any drug with fair ease. Legalizing it will not lead to an increase in the amount of rapes.

So you personally can just as easily get GHB now as if it were legal and available to buy at your closest local pharmacy?

[Snotty]

Originally posted by Azazel

You're kidding, right? A person can get any drug with fair ease. Legalizing it will not lead to an increase in the amount of rapes.

Sorry Az, but youre talking out of your arse. I cant lay my hands on crack, heroin or GHB. I cant even get some weed without calling around.

Youre saying any person can get hold of GHB as if it were legal? Im saying there are many dicks in the world who dont have those kind of contacts, but can do something as simple as walk into a shop.

[Az]

If you want to, you'll get them, without doubt. That's what I meant.

[Snotty]

Ok, I'll give you that. The determined rapist will no doubt be able to lay his hands on date rape drugs. The problem is the 'casual' rapist, if there is such a thing. The guys who would think its ok to put a legal drug in a girls to drink to help her 'relax' etc.

[Japher]

GHB: why the hell is it banned?

I think it was for abuse of the upload policy on 'Poly

I'm not getting an answer, why should people who don't slip others this drug w/o their knowledge be punished because of those who do? I can walk up to anyone on the street and slip a knife into them too, that doesn't mean people who own knives should be punished.

The drug could be used as any other anistesia, but unfortuantly the type of places that have this stuff (Vets, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, etc) have a high rate of crime associated with them for the expressed purpose of obtaining these drugs. If the only way to keep the drug off the street is to ban it, then ban it. There are other drugs that can be administered to receive the same effect. Unfortunately for the bad guys, they aren't as easy to conceal and administer unnoticed.

HOw is it different than a knife? A knife has multiple uses and besides, any one can make a knife, shiv, or other knife like item that banning them would serve no pupose. Also note that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon, and most bars won't let you end if you are carrying a knife.

[Az]

The drug could be used as any other anistesia, but unfortuantly the type of places that have this stuff (Vets, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, etc) have a high rate of crime associated with them for the expressed purpose of obtaining these drugs. If the only way to keep the drug off the street is to ban it, then ban it. There are other drugs that can be administered to receive the same effect. Unfortunately for the bad guys, they aren't as easy to conceal and administer unnoticed.

You're still missing the point. The benefits from it far outweigh the risks, and those risks aren't exactly being prevented by the ban. capiche? therefore there is no reason that people that benefit from it, or hell, just want to get high on it, shouldn't be free to do so.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Azazel
You're still missing the point. The benefits from it far outweigh the risks, and those risks aren't exactly being prevented by the ban. capiche? therefore there is no reason that people that benefit from it, or hell, just want to get high on it, shouldn't be free to do so.

You honestly think it would be okay that more women got raped so more guys could get high?

[Japher]

"Gamma-hydroxy butyrate (GHB) is a naturally occurring substance that is nonaddictive and proven safe, yet FDA and media hype have prevented the public from reaping its benefits. GHB has been shown to improve sleep, encourage weight loss and muscle strength, enhance mood, improve sex, and possibly prolong life. "

Which of these benefits cannot be obtained by any number of OTHER non-addictive drugs, life style CHOICES, and diet that cannot also be used as rape aide?

-Don't know the answer?
-Don't know enough about all the other drugs available?

Let the FDA do their job.

Questioning is good, but only if you can understand the answer...