Far right wing nationalists gain power in Croatia

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It seems the mandarins in Brussels are one of the least democratic groups in Europe

Well they can be a pain in the butt. All the new countries have rigorous criteria to conform to if they want to get in, while many countries already in get away with a lot of things, as my example with the backward country in the south Balkans shows.

I still like Eurocrats in Brussels though, they are our only hope in the unilateral American world

[Imran Siddiqui]

This is sad.
I guess Serbia is going to take the lead seeing as it has embraced true democratic reforms.

So a party which you don't like wins in a democratic election and you think that it isn't democratic? LOL.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The EU’s central government is run by an intolerant group of left wing ideologues who have never been elected and who are completely unaccountable to the people.

It is idiotic to think that the EU would ever bow to foreign demands for allowing xenophobic elements to flourish. I can see how that would fit nicely with the policies of Sharon, Bush and Murdoch. However they have overplayed their cards a long time ago.

[VetLegion]

Paiktis comes from a different background Imran. His country is run by dynasties . Son of the prime minister becomes the prime minister, stuff like that. Last five prime ministers having two surnames. He can't know squat about democracy.

But he gave me an opportunity to inform people about my country, and for that I am grateful

If I exposed some embarrassing details about Greece in the process, well, goes with the sevice

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


The EU policy on anti-semitism is akin to the famous three monkeys. Don't see, Don't hear, Don't tell. That is the perception from the outside, and that won't change no matter how submissive the EU is. Hence the policy of combating anti-semitism is probably relegated to the backseat since it is a no win situation.

I meant the HDZ policy on antisemitism, not the EU policy.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It seems the mandarins in Brussels are one of the least democratic groups in Europe. They pontificate and demand voters do as they are told and when the voters in democratic countries freely choice a policy which is different from the poorly thought out official party line of Brussels they are demonized and threatened. I recall when Austria elected a right win leader it was the “progressive” left wing of Europe who demanded censorship and legal sanctions. That the Austrian right had broken no laws and had simply advocated different policies then Brussels’s left wing ideologues didn’t matter.

The EU’s central government is run by an intolerant group of left wing ideologues who have never been elected and who are completely unaccountable to the people.

Agreed. Let's wait before Croatia's new governemnt actually does something before condemning it. There seems to be shown a real contempt for Democracy in Europe, with the EU getting hysterical everytime someone wants to do something different.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


It is idiotic to think that the EU would ever bow to foreign demands for allowing xenophobic elements to flourish. I can see how that would fit nicely with the policies of Sharon, Bush and Murdoch. However they have overplayed their cards a long time ago.

I dont think the US really gives a damn what the policy of the EU toward Croatia is, we're just making comments snarky or otherwise. Also dont think Sharon cares to much about Croatian politics (BYW the Israeli far right tended to sympathize with Serbia, for reasons that arent too complicated)

[Imran Siddiqui]

If I exposed some embarrassing details about Greece in the process, well, goes with the sevice

It is hard not to reveal embarassing details about Greece while talking about it .

How is Croatia these days anyway?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by VetLegion




Well they can be a pain in the butt. All the new countries have rigorous criteria to conform to if they want to get in, while many countries already in get away with a lot of things, as my example with the backward country in the south Balkans shows.

I still like Eurocrats in Brussels though, they are our only hope in the unilateral American world

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

If I exposed some embarrassing details about Greece in the process, well, goes with the sevice

It is hard not to reveal embarassing details about Greece while talking about it .

How is Croatia these days anyway?

Great. Really, great, but you never heard it from me, we have to whine constantly, you know, tradition

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ah yes... Eurowhiners .

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


Agreed. Let's wait before Croatia's new governemnt actually does something before condemning it. There seems to be shown a real contempt for Democracy in Europe, with the EU getting hysterical everytime someone wants to do something different.

Eh. Venezuela, Hugo Chavez. Rings a bell?
I seriously doubt that the Eu will try to abduct the new Croatian leader.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


Eh. Venezuela, Hugo Chavez. Rings a bell?
I seriously doubt that the Eu will try to abduct the new Croatian leader.

didnt chavez lead a coup attempt BEFORE being elected. Has HDZ doen that?

[VetLegion]

He probably ment US meddling in Venezuela as compared to EU meddling in it's own "sphere of influence".

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by VetLegion
He probably ment US meddling in Venezuela as compared to EU meddling in it's own "spehere of influence".

yeah, but who's against EU meddling? some of us blame the EU for refraining from meddling in Bosnia. I think whats at issue is the original posters and some european papers judging the HDZ before they take power. Which is why i was trying to clarify the extent to which the HDZ has moved on from the Tjudman years.

I mean these are the same Europeans who insist on dealing with Arafat based on his legitimacy as a "democratically" elected leader.