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    Well, it's 4 AM and I can't seem to find the answer. Do any of you know whether birds and pterosaurs shared a common ancestor, and what evidence we have to that effect?
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  • #2
    It seems that birds and pterosaurs did not come from the same common ancestor.

    Check this webpage for more details.
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    • #3
      That website lists that as a creationist claim, are you sure that's accurate?
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      • #4
        You'd think that the dinosaurs would eat all the birds.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
          That website lists that as a creationist claim, are you sure that's accurate?
          The webpage is a rebuttal of the creationist claim that there are no intermediate fossils between birds and dinosaurs, with some references at the bottom that you may find useful.

          Embedded in the middle somewhere is the hypothesis that birds came from theropod dinosaurs.
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          • #6
            Birds and Pterosaurs are not immediately related. Avians branched off from the Saurischian division of Archosauria (think T-Rex, Velociraptor, Brachiosaurus, etc.) while Pterosaurs are a division of Archosauria in their own right.

            "Dinosaurs" refers to the Saurischian and Ornithischian (think Triceratops, Stegosaurus, Parasaurolophus, etc.) branches of Archosauria.

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            • #7
              Saurischian dinosaurs were the earliest dinosaurs and the ancestors of birds. They had a hip structure similar to that of lizards.
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              • #8
                Check out this site with lots of info about the new feathered dino discoveries:

                Luis Rey's Art Gallery

                These paintings are awesome.

                St. Leo, Saurischia and Ornithischia didn't have seperate archosaurian ancestors, that has been defunct for over 20 years.


                These are the unique features of the Dinosauria (including Aves):

                - A hole in the hip bones connect the hip sockets
                - 3 or more vertabrae fused to the hip bones
                - Erect, not sprawling, gait
                - Ankle joints simple, foreward-backward hinges

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                • #9
                  jeez, between all the OTFers, you guys know everything... i know where to turn next time i have a question
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                  • #10
                    However, "dinosaur" is also a generic, all-inclusive term.
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                    • #11
                      Thanks guys.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Odin
                        St. Leo, Saurischia and Ornithischia didn't have seperate archosaurian ancestors, that has been defunct for over 20 years.


                        Well, at least I wasn't raving on about the sunken landbridge of Lemuria.^-^
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