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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats blocked two more of President Bush (news - web sites)'s federal appeals court nominees on Friday after a nonstop U.S. Senate debate of nearly 40 hours, boosting to six the number stonewalled so far.

    On each of two votes, Republicans fell seven short of the 60 votes needed in the 100-member chamber to stop delaying tactics against California jurists Carolyn Kuhl and Janice Rogers Brown and clear the way for their confirmation.

    Democrats also sustained, by the same margin, a procedural hurdle known as a filibuster against another nominee, Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owen, first blocked in May.

    The three votes followed the Senate's longest nonstop debate since a 57-hour, 24-minute marathon in 1988 over campaign legislation.

    The talkathon began on Wednesday night and focused on Bush's stalled judicial nominees and what Republicans called unprecedented and unconstitutional Democratic obstructionism.

    Republicans decided to hold the around-the-clock debate following criticism from conservative activists that they were not doing enough to take on Democrats.

    Democrats said they had simply exercised a constitutional right to "advise and consent" to stop Bush from packing the courts with what they called right-wing ideologues who could not be trusted to uphold civil rights, abortion rights, worker rights and environmental protections.

    They also noted they had joined Republicans in confirming 168 of Bush's other judicial nominees, to reduce the vacancy rate on the federal bench to less than 5 percent, its lowest level in more than a decade.

    Republicans argued, however, that Democrats had entered new and dangerous territory by blocking judicial nominees on the Senate floor who were backed by a majority of lawmakers.

    "STOP NOW"

    "Stop now," said Sen. Rick Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican. "You have a chance to save this country and this judiciary. Stop now."

    Democrats countered that Republicans had themselves blocked 63 of Democratic President Bill Clinton's judicial nominees, preventing most of them from even getting a hearing.

    "I find it incredibly remarkable ... that the very people who lament not getting a vote for (the blocked Bush's nominees) were participants in the effort" to stop Clinton's candidates, said Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota.

    But Democrats figured the Republican maneuvering made them look good with their political base as well.

    "This debate, make no mistake about it, strengthened our side," said Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat. "We are energized. So I think this has boomeranged."

    Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, noting the approach of the Thanksgiving holiday, said: "My suggestion is that this president release all of his right-wing turkeys."

    James Thurber of American University's Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies said he believes both sides hurt themselves, as well as the Senate, with the debate, saying the public sees "them all as too partisan."

    Republicans had planned to vote on Friday on a proposed rule change to effectively eliminate filibusters on judicial nominees. But they later postponed a vote indefinitely.

    They conceded Democrats could defeat it, and some admitted they would also like to be able retaliate by using such filibusters in any future Democratic-led Senate.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said he plans to challenge the constitutionality of filibusters on judicial nominations. "It is time for the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) to give us their view about what is going on here," Graham said.

    I feel sad when I read stuff like this. I respect the right of Senators to debate and it's good that nominees are approved by the Senate, but are the Democrats doing it because they disagree with the nominees or is it out of spite. Daschle points his finger and says they did it first. Reminds me of how a child would act. But mommy he did it first. Shouldnt they at least have a vote?
    Last edited by Sprayber; November 14, 2003, 15:26.
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    Democrats have approved 168 of Bush's nominees... and blocked 4 of the most extremists...

    Republicans approved around 330 Clinton nominees... and blocked OVER 60!!!

    Don't give me this bull**** about Democrats being the bad guys here.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      Lessee...the dems are trying to block additional republican judicial appointments, and the repubs did the same in the past...

      and you're surprised by this?
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        Two words: JAMES HORMEL.
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          And well they should. These people are insane. Prissy Owen's a reactionary judicial activist that has rewritten so much Texas law they have to pas laws especially to overturn her decisions.

          So far the Dem's have approved 169 of Bush's judicial nominations. The Repugs held up almost a third of Clinton's. In fact, the reason that so many Federal Apellete seats are empty is because the Repugs blocked almost 54 nominations.

          This would be a temptest in a teapot, except for the fact that these three nominees are scary. They make Ashcroft look like a liberal.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            Meantime, Fox network execs produced the Repugs Senatorial ***** fest. So now Fox is producing the Republican Party and making the new not just reporting. Well, i've got my circuses, where's my bread?
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              So from now on, no one here will complain when in a few years the situations are reversed and Democrats are getting this treatment. Anyone want to go on record?
              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sava


                Republicans approved around 330 Clinton nominees... and blocked OVER 60!!!

                Don't give me this bull**** about Democrats being the bad guys here.

                Mommy, he pushed me first
                Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                  you were the one who brought the topic up, not me... repugs are the ones whining like little girls
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sava
                    you were the one who brought the topic up, not me... repugs are the ones whining like little girls
                    No where did I say that Republicans were any better. Can you find where I did? Your the one that ran to the rescue of the Democrats. Are you saying that Democrats whine less then Republicans?

                    I would think Jessie Jackson more than makes up for that.
                    Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                    • #11
                      Since I didn't address you with my post, and since you say you weren't saying the Repugs are any better, then why are you responding to me?

                      I'm not "rescuing" the Dem's... both parties are whiny partisan dildos... it's just that based upon the statistics of judicial nominees... Repugs are worse.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sava
                        Republicans approved around 330 Clinton nominees... and blocked OVER 60!!!
                        .
                        No cliton nominee (nor any other that I call recall) was blocked by a filibuster minority; they were voted down either in committee on or on the floor. A filibuster is a minority blocking a vote from taking place.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sava
                          I'm not "rescuing" the Dem's... both parties are whiny partisan dildos... it's just that based upon the statistics of judicial nominees... Repugs are worse.

                          Then we agree that both sides are whiners, but i still say that Jessie Jackson more than makes up for anything concerning this. Jessie raises it to a new standard. It takes two republican whiners to equal just one of Jessie.
                          Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                            Re: Democrats Obstruct Judicial Nominees

                            Originally posted by Sprayber
                            The talkathon began on Wednesday night and focused on Bush's stalled judicial nominees and what Republicans called unprecedented and unconstitutional Democratic obstructionism.
                            They are finally breaking out the cots? Why wasn't that done earlier?
                            This would be a temptest in a teapot, except for the fact that these three nominees are scary. They make Ashcroft look like a liberal.
                            I find this statement suspect, if this is anything like the smear job done on Pickering. I also find it hard to believe that California of all places would elect a judge that conservative.
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                            • #15
                              Take a good look at Owen and Moore.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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