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  • #61
    Polls show that the vast majority of the Iraqi people support the American presence.
    Actually, more recent polls seems to show that the US is starting to lose support...

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    • #62
      That's not good.
      "To watch your eniemies die in glorious color and sourround sound is surely one of the greatest advantages of technology." - Eoin Colfer
      "You get more flies with a dead body than with honey." - Joshua Wade

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      • #63
        I guess what I would suggest is that the US start using air bases in the desert, away from population centers so that they can maintain a defensive perimeter wide enough to allow the aircraft time to climb above the range of these missles.

        Arming the Shiites looks better all the time.
        "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
          I guess what I would suggest is that the US start using air bases in the desert, away from population centers so that they can maintain a defensive perimeter wide enough to allow the aircraft time to climb above the range of these missles.
          Why don't we use an aircraft-carrier in the ocean.
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          • #65
            The helos were taking troops out of Iraq.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #66
              Where were they taking them?
              "To watch your eniemies die in glorious color and sourround sound is surely one of the greatest advantages of technology." - Eoin Colfer
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              • #67
                Originally posted by PLATO


                The parralells to Vietnam are easy to say, but the situation is totally different. In Vietnam you were facing a much larger resistence that was augmented by a national army applying pressure in the north. This was coupled with large support of arms and training by USSR. That is not the case in Iraq.

                Polls show that the vast majority of the Iraqi people support the American presence. Many of the insurgents are foriegn nationals and not indeginous population. Strong political control is being excersized by the US. The troops enjoy strong support from the American people. There are no areas that attacks are coming from that the troops are being barred from.

                Any invasion of a country will meet resistence. That does not make it a parralell to Vietnam.
                1) The situation is totally different, yet eerily similar. Vietnam was supplied by China mostly. But they (VC) didn't believe they were gonna live forever with allah and 17 virgins either. They (VC) didn't cherish martyrdom, plus, the people making their way to Iraq are the mujahadeen who fought the Russians in Afghanistan. It is almost as if OBL is hunting America as his next big game. Right now, the generals of this war are being created in the streets of Fallujah and Tikrit. Every time they have a success, they learn a great deal, and, they gain a little more momentum.

                2) How can you believe a poll taken in a country asking peopel how they feel about the force in town that takes people away at night for being Baathist sympathizers. These are Iraqis we are talking about, not Americans. I bet if there is one thing every Iraqi knows is, "say nice things about the guy in power" Polls in Iraq mean nothing.

                3) Just because resistance is being led by foreign nationals, how does that make it any easier? Because they speak a different language. As a poor muslim Iraqi, who would you help, the white Christian guy who brought the war to your country, or the "freedom fighter" who faces the east and prays with you ?
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                • #68
                  Probably the freedom-fighter.
                  "To watch your eniemies die in glorious color and sourround sound is surely one of the greatest advantages of technology." - Eoin Colfer
                  "You get more flies with a dead body than with honey." - Joshua Wade

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                    Arming the Shiites looks better all the time.
                    Not if you want a secular government, I don't want Shiite fundies ruling Iraq. I want a liberal, secular government with a mix of Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds.

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                    • #70
                      But they are probably not facing east during prayers...

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                      • #71
                        What's that got to do with anything?
                        "To watch your eniemies die in glorious color and sourround sound is surely one of the greatest advantages of technology." - Eoin Colfer
                        "You get more flies with a dead body than with honey." - Joshua Wade

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Kropotkin
                          But they are probably not facing east during prayers...
                          I wasn't sure if it was always east, or towards Mecca (West).... especially since the world is round. I didn't think some one would actually call me on that.... :P
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                          • #73
                            How many non-Iraqi terrorists have been arrested in Iraq yet?

                            I ask this, since I have the feeling that this talk of the resistance being led by foreigners and/or al Qaeda is more a guess, or wishfull thinking, than fact.

                            I'm truely curious. Does anybody have anything solid on these foreigners?
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                            • #74
                              I would say that if someone is to blame for the situation in Iraq today, it is the CIA and intelligence in general. It seems nobody knows who really is the enemy, and that means that the occupation troops really are good for nothing more than crowd control and being sitting ducks. That is not something that will end the violence, but rather the opposite.

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                              • #75
                                Yes, some Syrian Nationals were caught or killed.... I believe a Yemenese/Yemenite/Yemeni.... but in all truth, you may be right. Regardless, it is only the next logical step, right?
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