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  • #31
    And who does it hurt? Iraqi people.

    Red Cross May Cut Back After Iraqi Blasts

    By ALEXANDER G. HIGGINS
    Oct 27, 2003 11:40 AM EST

    The international Red Cross said Monday it is considering cutting back its operations in Iraq after a bomb attack on its Baghdad headquarters that shook the neutral Swiss-run organization.

    The attack killed two Iraqi employees of the International Committee of the Red Cross and as many as 10 other people outside the agency's compound, said agency spokesman Florian Westphal.

    "Such an attack is a major blow for us," Westphal told The Associated Press. "It's a big shock. It is obviously impossible to move onto a normal day's business, so we really have to step back and take stock."

    United Nations aid agencies also reacted with shock, but said it was unlikely their operations would be affected: They already had cut back to skeleton staffs because of the Aug. 19 truck bombing of U.N. headquarters in Baghdad.

    Several ICRC employees were slightly injured inside the compound, Westphal said.

    He said ICRC officials in Baghdad and at the Geneva headquarters were reviewing operations.

    "It's too early for us at the moment to say how this attack will impact on our activities," Westphal said. "We will have a fairly clear idea within the next few days how we want to proceed."

    He said much of the ICRC operation focuses on the agency's visits to prisoners held by coalition forces and the Iraqi police - a main part of the agency's mandate under the Geneva Conventions on warfare and occupation.

    It also offers emergency medical aid in conjunction with the Iraqi Red Crescent, provides water and sanitation and educates Iraqis on how to avoid land mines and other explosives left over from warfare.

    Westphal said that weeks ago the agency had received "unspecified warnings that we may at one stage or another be the targets of an attack," but added that the ICRC didn't know who would want to target the organization.

    The warnings had been "relayed" to the ICRC, Westphal said.

    "They were not in any way specific and it was really impossible to read too much into that except obviously that the situation is extremely difficult and dangerous," he added.

    Last August the ICRC disclosed that it had received warnings of a threat and said it had been cutting back on its staff since a Sri Lankan staffer was killed July 22 south of Baghdad.

    U.N. agencies, which scaled back their operations following the August attack, saw Monday's bombing as another assault on the very people trying to help Iraqis.

    "Everybody is quite shaken about another attack on a humanitarian agency and a close partner," said Ron Redmond, spokesman for the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees in Geneva.

    Most of the foreign staff have remained outside Iraq since the August attack, whose 23 victims included the top U.N. envoy to Iraq, Sergio Vieira de Mello.

    But spokeswoman Fadela Chaib of the World Health Organization said, "We are seriously concerned about the consequences, not only in terms of loss of life but also in terms of reducing further the international presence in the country."

    Christiane Berthiaume of the World Food Program said her agency would be able to continue its distribution of food in Iraq because it is mostly handled by a network of 44,000 Iraqi agents.

    The ICRC was the main international relief organization to maintain operations in Baghdad and Basra during the U.S.-led invasion earlier this year, keeping six international staffers and several dozen Iraqis to provide help to hospitals.

    "We have been in Iraq since 1980," said Westphal.

    The ICRC, which provided relief during the Iran-Iraq war and the Gulf War, currently has 30-40 international staff and several hundred Iraqis working for it throughout the country, Westphal said.

    "This attack yet again primarily hurts Iraqis, which is the particular tragedy, be it our staff or others who happened to be in this area," Westphal said.
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    • #32
      Yep.. hurts only the people of Iraq.. Unfortunately for the resistance in Iraq, they don't have enough support to launch bigger operations, and they are not strong enough. So, when thinking about their cause, this strike was for nothing, but waste of lives.
      In da butt.
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      • #33
        A waste of innocent lives.
        People trying to help their dumb asses.
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        • #34
          Everyone knows the RC is off-limits. The question is, is it the Ba'athists of al-Qaeda that's doing this?
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          • #35
            Suicide attacks hint to Islamist groups IMHO.
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            • #36
              This is very terrible.

              The U.S. really should leave.

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              • #37
                Yeah, this is a good question. I don't think we're getting enough information about who are actually doing these attacks. It was stated that the one they caught alive was a syrian. As Spiffor just pointed out, it seems islamistic. Who are the coalition forces fighting? Is it local and regional groups or international islamistic groups or both?

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                • #38
                  [angry lang man]ok, please.

                  it's islamist, not islamistic. and wtf came up with "terroristic" as an adjective?[/end]
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Spiffor
                    This is terrible.

                    The Iraqi guerilla definitely is organised. Apparently, it is hard to find people hiding in the sprawling Baghdad, and they use it to their advantage.
                    Spiffor: Supposedly most of the terrorists aren't Iraqi. At least that's what the Iraqi civilians are claiming; they say it's mostly Syrians and Saudis who are acting like terrorists while the locals just want to put their lives back together.

                    If I understand correctly they police have foiled several attempted car bombings and they even captured a few Syrians who were attempting to pull of the car bombing. I really do blame the state controlled media in Syria and Saudi Arabia which spend virtually every night attacking Israel/the US/the UK and inciting people to become terrorists and to attack the infedels.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by SlowwHand
                      A waste of innocent lives.
                      People trying to help their dumb asses.
                      Slow: You are wrong. The Red Cross workers are trying to help Iraqis ergo most Iraqis want the aid agencies there. Foreign Islamic militants want every nonmuslim person and organization out of Iraq and trying to bring that about his the fundimentalists' cause du jour.
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                      • #41
                        Attacking UN and the Red Cross are crimes of war according to a recent resolution.
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                        • #42
                          34 are dead and you are blowing off steam Mr.Fun?

                          This is really terrible, it is really sad to see the Iraqi people become such victims of terror.
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                          • #43
                            According to a dark haired, bespeckled, makeupless "peace activist" who just appeared on CNN to comment on yesterday's march on Washington, the solution to Iraq would be for the Unites States to pull out now and turn Iraq over to the UN. According to her, the attacks on the UN and other international agencies are solely motivated by their "perceived" support of the American occupation. She said that once the UN was in charge, Saddam would surrender, or at least stop fighting, and support a democratic regime in Baghdad.

                            Really?
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                            • #44
                              it could work...

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Ned
                                Really?
                                It is completely delusional to believe that an immediate withdrawal from Iraq by the US forces will be any helpful to the Iraqis.

                                If the UN took over the process with the US firepower, it wouldn't change much for the Iraqis, except that their wealth would be a tad less sucked by foreign companies, and would be much less sucked by American companies. A UN-sponsored regime may potentially also be more independent in the end, and result in a government that listens more to the wishes of the population than to those of Washington.

                                But there would be no immediate changes to what the Iraqis are experiencing. Things would most probably be even worse if the UN couldn't rely on US firepower.

                                Stopping the occupation now is the best way for a restauration of Saddam, or for the arrival of the civil war
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