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    IDS will not quit

    Iain Duncan Smith has told the BBC he will not quit even if Tory MPs call for a vote of confidence on his leadership.

    The Conservative leader insisted he would lead his party into the next election, despite the party being "frightened and bullied" by a small minority within.

    "I say to those who hide in the shadows and whose voices are heard out of bitterness and personal ambition they should go gracefully," he told BBC One's Breakfast with Frost.

    But Tory MP Derek Conway, a former government whip, told Sky News he has signed a letter calling for a vote of confidence and has told Mr Duncan Smith.

    "We have just come to a judgement that Iain Duncan Smith's time is up," he said.

    Meanwhile, Dominic Cummings, the Tories' former director of strategy, said Mr Duncan Smith was not up to the job of leader and urged MPs to "bite the bullet" and get rid of him.

    The calls came as the Tory leader denied a Sunday Telegraph report he had told aides he would step down if 25 Tory MPs triggered a leadership ballot.


    Mr Duncan Smith said: "The simple message is this: I earned the right to lead this party to the next election.

    "The party membership out there in the country voted, and they voted overwhelmingly."

    'Push off'

    As he spoke, Tory MPs continued talking to party workers and activists in their constituencies about their leader's future.

    Mr Duncan Smith said it would be nonsense for his party to plunge itself into a divisive leadership contest at a time when the public wanted an alternative to Tony Blair.

    He said the small number of people who had never accepted his leadership election should "push off" and let the party get on with winning the next election.

    "This party is in the process of being frightened and bullied by a small number of people whose personal ambition and whose personal anger and bitterness is in the process of trying to push the party to the edge of a divisive leadership process which would rip them apart," he said.

    Earlier he told the Mail on Sunday plots against him had left his party "staring into the abyss".

    'Turf wars'

    He said he would set out "our plans for the first Conservative government of the 21st century" in a speech to the Centre for Policy Studies on Thursday.

    The bookies' favourite to take over the leadership, shadow chancellor Michael Howard, told the Sunday Times: "We are on course to present a clear and coherent programme for government at the next election.

    "These are Iain's policies. They are a tribute to Iain's work.

    "Iain has earned the right to carry that work forward.

    But Mr Cummings, who quit Conservative Central Office in September 2002, claimed the party was riven by "constant turf wars over trivia".

    He told BBC Radio 4's Broadcasting House the shadow cabinet knew Mr Duncan Smith was not up to the job.

    "It's time they stopped hiding behind the press and hiding behind each other and got on with it," he said.

    He said David Davis, who shadows the deputy prime minister, would be a better alternative as leader.

    Tory MP John Greenway, who insisted he was not a "plotter" argued Mr Duncan Smith could restore dignity to the situation "by calling for a vote of confidence himself".

    Major warning

    He said a line would not be drawn under the matter "by him saying 'I intend to carry on'".

    On Saturday former prime minister John Major told Tory "plotters" to stop damaging the party by undermining their leader.

    On Friday Tory whips stressed their "total loyalty" to the leader.

    Tory chief whip David Maclean said: "I have spoken personally to all the whips and they are unanimous in their support for the leader of the party."
    it's such a joke, the government should be coming under fire for so much at the moment, increasing taxes, fuel duty, the fact our transport system is worse than it's ever been, the fact we're throwing good money after bad on public services which never seem to get any better, the coming of the EU constitution and all manner of other things are government is screwing up.

    and yet what are her majesty's opposition doing about it, tearing themselves apart in another bloody struggle, which could have sorted out a long time ago if iain duncan smith had just done the decent thing and resigned and let someone else take over the tory party into the next election.
    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

  • #2
    What about the Liberal Dems?
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #3
      they haven't got any real chance, or any real policies for that matter :/
      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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      • #4
        Didn't they get massive support from disgrunted labourers?
        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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        • #5
          they can't win in the cities or the north of england, so basically they can never get enough seats. plus did i mention they don't have any (real) policies
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • #6
            Originally posted by C0ckney
            plus did i mention they don't have any (real) policies
            Has that ever been a problem to win elections?
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              in this country at least, yes. but the real problem is that they will never win in certain areas.
              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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              • #8
                Didn't Hull city council go lib dem at the last elections?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by C0ckney
                  in this country at least, yes. but the real problem is that they will never win in certain areas.
                  A comment true of every party.
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                  • #10
                    I think it's a mark of just how desperate they are that Michael Howerd is considered the prime candidate to replace IDS. Have these people had their memories erased? He's tried twice before, and both times failed because absolutely nobody trusts him.
                    The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                    • #11
                      I have always had the notion that you Brits elected men for the times and quickly dumped them once time moved on. It still seems that Blair has some vitality in his policies, and he's a good enough politician to keep his opponents weak and divided. Once he loses that strength, the Tories will put their internal differences aside for the sake of their own ambitions.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #12
                        But you've got to remember that what a lot of people are most pissed at Blair about (the whole Iraq things) isn't exactly something the Tories can capitalize on since they supported the war more strongly than Labor did.
                        Stop Quoting Ben

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                        • #13
                          Re: we might as well make blair prime minister for life and have done with it...

                          Excellent idea, but Tony's too smart to want to put up with whiners the resat of his like.
                          Overall, the Brit's rock.
                          The minority blows, just like in the USA.
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                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            The point is that IDS rsigning would have no effect whatever on plotting in the Conservative Party

                            This has been going on since about 1986 (Michael Heseltine etc) because there are MPs who believe:

                            their disloyalty will not cost elections as the Conservatives are the natural party of government

                            they can do the job better than whoever is at the top at the moment


                            Until they start understanding that this is not true ( as the Labour party realised after the 1992 election) the plotting will continue whoever is leader
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                            • #15
                              they haven't got any real chance, or any real policies for that matter :/


                              And you think the tory idea of shipping all our immigrants of to an island is a real policy? Whats this island called eh? None of the tory leadership can seem to remember.

                              For the lib dems what about proportional representation, their unpopular policies on europe, and of course the full legalization of cannabis.

                              A year ago everyone would have said inner city London labour strongholds were no go areas for the lib dems, but not now.

                              As much as I love seeing the tory party tear itself apart, I just wish they got a little less press while doing it.
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