Anti-gay preacher arrested for soliciting sex from a boy

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Spiffor:
The real question you are looking for is the age of marriage, considering that the Bible teaches that you should wait for marriage. Not sure if an exact age is given.

Well, the old testament is chock-full of unmarried sex, and I guess the anti-gay deacons thump the old testament most.

Despite my limited knowledge, I know that it was "good" for lot to give his daughters to the Sodomites, or that it was "good" for Onan to screw his brother's widow (so good that Onan was actually slain by God himself when he refused to inseminate her)

It seems married sex was not the only righteous way in the old times

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Spiffor

It is. There is a sexual attraction toward minors. In my vocabulary, it's called "pedophilia". This attraction to minor is often due to one's psyche, when the person itself had sex in his youth, or had the development of his libido blocked at some point. Now, there are people attracted to underage people who act on said attraction (and indulge in underage sex), and there are people who do not, and keep their attraction to themselves.

It is also worth it to know that many child molesters aren't particularily aroused by kids, but rape kids for the feeling of control, or for the certainty they'll empty their balls without resistance.

http://www.mhamic.org

The site is maybe biased, but I think some information is to be taken seriously there.

And this is NOT a dressed up anti-gay troll. There is a wide range of sexual attractions, some of them are considered pervers by the society, some other are accepted. Heterosexuality is one of them. Homosexuality is one of them. Heck, even zoophilia is one of them. And this is one of the reasons why I think the "I didn't choose my attraction" argument in the homosexuality debate is the worst possible argument.

If pedophilia happens regardless of sexual orientation due to sexual attraction, what the fvck does sexual orientation have anything to do with it?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by MrFun





Let me try this AGAIN, for the 10,000th time -- when a heterosexual engages in sex with a minor, it is pedophilia. When a homosexual engages in sex with a minor, it is also pedophilia.

Pedophilia is not related to sexual orientation.

Ok, try it for the 10,001st time. The kid is 14 - that's in all but a few cases post-pubescent, and near the age of consent in a lot of places. If he was a 10 year old, we'd say pedophilia for sure. If he was a 17 year old, we'd say, no, it ain't pedophilia. This is a case in-between, so without more info, we really don't know the sexual basis, assuming the allegation is true.

[General Ludd]

sexual orientation has nothing to do with being a pedophile. Liking little boys, however, has alot to do with sexual orientation. Kids have gender too, you know.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by MrFun
If pedophilia happens regardless of sexual orientation due to sexual attraction, what the fvck does sexual orientation have anything to do with it?

Oh, OK, it's a vocabulary issue. For you sexual orientation is an either or (being attracted either to males or to females). I took "sexual orientation" in a broader meaning, i.e all kind of attractions a human can have, and not-only gender based.

[Berzerker]

Yes, I think this guy is a sleeze but why the hell do you all assume he did it?

Now that's out of the way, I'll assume you meant he's a sleaze for conduct we know he has already engaged in.

Good points Mad Monk, he's innocent until proven guilty, but we can have opinions before a trial nevertheless.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


The kid is 14 - that's in all but a few cases post-pubescent,

Hardly. Most males are going through puberty at 14; almost none are post-pubescent, and significantly more that "a few" haven't really hit puberty yet at that age.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Well, since his book is the Bible? Is there any mention of underage sex being Bad in the Bible? I wasn't under this impression (yet I haven't read the Bible in its entirety)

It says that for a man to lie with another man as a woman is an abomination.

Golly! It doesn't say anything about kids, and it should be noted that it doesn't say anything about sitting or standing. How could we have missed that? It looks like Mr. White is only guilty of being way ahead of us.

[Dis]

This is proof that every homophobe is really a homosexual.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Oh, OK, it's a vocabulary issue. For you sexual orientation is an either or (being attracted either to males or to females). I took "sexual orientation" in a broader meaning, i.e all kind of attractions a human can have, and not-only gender based.

So we were having a communication problem here on Apolyton.

Wouldn't that be the first case of miscommunication on Apolyton?


NOT

[MrFun]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Ok, try it for the 10,001st time. The kid is 14 - that's in all but a few cases post-pubescent, and near the age of consent in a lot of places. If he was a 10 year old, we'd say pedophilia for sure. If he was a 17 year old, we'd say, no, it ain't pedophilia. This is a case in-between, so without more info, we really don't know the sexual basis, assuming the allegation is true.

Ok -- the 10,001st time sounds good to me.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by MrFun
Let me try this AGAIN, for the 10,000th time -- when a heterosexual engages in sex with a minor, it is pedophilia. When a homosexual engages in sex with a minor, it is also pedophilia.

Pedophilia is not related to sexual orientation.

No, heterosexual acts between an adult and a teenage minor of the opposite sex is rape (statutory if consentual).

Sodomy between an adult and a teenage minor is usually sexual assault (aggravated if force is involved).

Such cases may be charged as contributing to the delinquency of a minor as well. But pedophilia? That would be rare.

[Dis]

I don't believe that entirely.

Why not engage in sex with an underage girl then? He is a homosexual paedophilia person then. but still homosexual.

[Straybow]

Homo- yes, pedo- not necessarily. Gotta see how this pans out. They'll track down his travels and find out who else he propositioned over the years.

Half of all the porn-spam is boasting teen this, youngest that. The appeal of youth isn't pedophilia.