Why I think a communist revolution is a pipe dream in United States.

[JohnT]

Please don't hijack this thread, y'all.

[Ned]

Mr. Fun, he called for a "balanced" approach to the ME, a codeword used by the UN and all anti-Israeli types across the world. He is accepting large financial support from Muslims and other anti-Israeli groups.

Do you actually think he would say he is anti-Israel? No. But he certainly has adopted a clearly anti-Israel foreign policy.

Now, why would any American do that?

Don't give me the standard jargon that being anti-Israel is not equivalent to being anti-Jew. Today, anti-Israelism is closely linked to anti-Semitism. Just witness the recent remarks of Mahathir.

[Ned]

Originally posted by JohnT
Please don't hijack this thread, y'all.

I think you are ignoring the threat that Dean represents.

[Ramo]

You're totally delusion Ned. Dean is a marginally center-left American politician, not a commie. The only radical thing about Dean's agenda is the way he's running his campaign - democratically (which is why I'm supporting him).

And he is certainly not an anti-Semite. This "codeword" business you're bringing up is nothing less than some combination of ignorance and paranoia. As for accepting contributions from Moslems making a politician an anti-Semite, does accepting contributions from Christians and Jews make a politician bigotted towards Islam? No, Dean's not a bigot, you are.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Ned


I think you are ignoring the threat that Dean represents.

I meant hijacking with an argument about his "anti-semitism" - talking about his economic views are totally within the purview of this thread.

Dean doesn't seem to be any more Left than, say, George McGovern. And you know what happened to him.

[Ned]

OK. As I said, what Dean has not done yet is call for nationalization of US business and suspension of the Republican party. But, short of that, he advocates every position that any commie would. He is anti-business, anti-trade, anti-globilization, anti-religion, pro-environmental extremism, favors class warfare, is unwilling to use force to confront socialist governments (read Saddam). He is anti-Israel.

He represents a major step toward communism.

[Spiffor]

Any sane policy for the US would represent a step toward communism anyway

[Ned]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Any sane policy for the US would represent a step toward communism anyway

Of course.

I am trying to remember all the things McGovern stood for. But I have a hard time agreeing that McGovern was a far to the left as Dean. I do not remember McGovern being anti-Israel, anti-trade, and anti-globalization.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Ned
OK. As I said, what Dean has not done yet is call for nationalization of US business and suspension of the Republican party. But, short of that, he advocates every position that any commie would. He is anti-business, anti-trade, anti-globilization, anti-religion, pro-environmental extremism, favors class warfare, is unwilling to use force to confront socialist governments (read Saddam). He is anti-Israel.

He represents a major step toward communism.

really.... his calls for deregulation of the prescription drug industry anti-business... hmm. Anti-trade? Who could be more anti-trade than the trade war master himself Dubya? (Note steel and timber) Dean just wants labor laws in parity with the U.S.'s if we are to trade with them.... Anti-globalization..... "the U.N. is irrelevant" was not Dean's assertion. Pro-environmental extremism how? Favors class warfare? Unwilling to use force to confront Socialist governments.... rich.... so now the Iraq War was to stop Socialism anti_israel..... no... he is just not pro-Israel. There is a position that could be taken called "neutral", and the peace process might be able to succeed if the U.S. were to take that stance.

[Ned]

NeOmega, maybe I have been listening too much to Lieberman. Maybe Dean is not so far left after all!

Fat chance.

Of course, I also condemn Bush when he is wrong. Bush was wrong on "steal" tarriffs.

But the bit on "fair trade" is straight out of the anti-globalist handbook.

And, if Dean's position is that we should be less pro-Israel (and how does one quantify this?), why did he use the Kofi-Annan code word? Clearly a great deal of his entusiatic Muslim supporters believe he used the code word purposefully. And if he did not use it purposefully, but merely negligently, what does this show us about Dean?

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Ned
And, if Dean's position is that we should be less pro-Israel (and how does one quantify this?), why did he use the Kofi-Annan code word? Clearly a great deal of his entusiatic Muslim supporters believe he used the code word purposefully. And if he did not use it purposefully, but merely negligently, what does this show us about Dean?

Kofi Annan code word? Balanced? You have a problem with a "balanced" solution to the middle east? Less pro-Israel? Where to start. How about stop handing cash over to them.... (you know, foreign aid, yuck!) hand over fist for starters. So dean is a commie because he thinks Israel shouldn't be trying to fence in more West Bank land and build more settlements on the disputed territories? I never read Stalin or Lenin or Trotsky say anything about that!

[Kuciwalker]

Stop threadjacking.

This is a capitalism/communism thread. NOT a Dean/Bush thread.

[Garth Vader]

Originally posted by JohnT

So? Take the aggregate $955 billion that the top 400 richest Americans own and divide it amongst the American population and you have destroyed a social order thousands of years in the making... for a mere $357.14 per person. Good going!

There is 2.6 billion people in the US now

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ned
Mr. Fun, he called for a "balanced" approach to the ME, a codeword used by the UN and all anti-Israeli types across the world. He is accepting large financial support from Muslims and other anti-Israeli groups.

Do you actually think he would say he is anti-Israel? No. But he certainly has adopted a clearly anti-Israel foreign policy.

Now, why would any American do that?

Don't give me the standard jargon that being anti-Israel is not equivalent to being anti-Jew. Today, anti-Israelism is closely linked to anti-Semitism. Just witness the recent remarks of Mahathir.

Wonderful -- so you presume that just because he sympathizes more with Palestinians than Israelies, that he HAS to be anti-Semitic.

Look, I sympathize more with Israelies than with the Palestinians, but I certainly do not call those who sympathize with Palestinians and disagree with my viewpoint, anti-Semitic.

Dean still looks like a good candidate in my book.

[Ned]

Anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism appear to have merged in the Muslim world, particularly in the Arab portion. There is not an Arab country where a Jew can safely live. Anti-Israelism and anti-Semitism is merging in Europe. Here in the US, the anti-Israeli crowd have openingly attacked Jews and threatened their lives. I have seen it on TV, and in the streets marked with NAZI swastikas and where synagogues are smeared with hate symbols every time the crisis in the mid East grows hot.

Anyone, in my book, who throws in his allegience with these people has shown his true colors.