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Why I think a communist revolution is a pipe dream in United States.
Is your system really going to function? Afterall paying everybody a similar ****ty wage will not work.
IT HAS BEEN STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THIS IS NOT THE CASE.
Then you have income brackets.. isn't that contradictory to communism?
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
No, but we'll have true equality of opportunity, and all of society will decide and control the economy.
That's capitalism.
Sorry bro.. capitalism isn't communism.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
Define your sample. If you are honest you would define it globally and then note that you, yourself are among the economic elite, though not actually an elite among elites.
So who has most of the wealth in this world? Judging from the perspective of the truly poor, the answer is "People like you."
So what are you doing/have you done to relieve the financial inequities of the world in a way that directly negatively impacted your finances, your dreams and aspirations?
indeed. Check out who has most of the wealth. It's a very small group of people.
So you are talking about Soviet era communism? It was the soviet military brass that had most of the wealth afterall.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
Originally posted by Spiffor
Wrong. There is a fundamental difference between a communist company and a capitalist company: the capitalist company is out to maximize profit, to hand it to the shareholder. This is why you have fat cats who get enriched by unrewarded hardworking people. The fact that cashiers are underpaid comes from the willingness to have a profit margin. Unlike what the liberal economists want you to believe, wages and prices don't get adjusted automagically, but they serve a purpose. In capitalism, the purpose is to bring money to the shareholder. In communism, it is to bring money to the worker.
But the forces I described (people striking for higher pay, boycotting prices that are too high) will have the same effect.
Originally posted by MrFun
But to what extent is our country's unequal distribution part of the elite manipulating our government, and not as a result of ordinary citizens working an honest day's work for an honest day's pay??
The "elite manipulating our government" is not a failure of capitalism; it is a failure to implement capitalism properly. Bribes and shady things are illegal, and not part of a capitalist system. In fact, they subvert it.
indeed. Check out who has most of the wealth. It's a very small group of people.
So?
For one thing, most of the massive inequality in the distrubution of wealth today is NOT a result of capitalism - it is a result of things that are NOT capitalism, like coercion through force, bribery, etc. Those are not failings of capitalism, they are failures to implement capitalism properly (really it's a failure to enforce the law). Moreover, those who DIDN'T get their money through those means got it because they were SMART. Obviously, those who get large amounts of money honestly ("exploiting" the workers) must have some quality that makes them capable of doing this, otherwise EVERYONE would be able to. Like Bill Gates - he isn't "old money". People like that EARNED their money.
Originally posted by JohnT
"Check out who has most of the wealth."
Define your sample. If you are honest you would define it globally and then note that you, yourself are among the economic elite, though not actually an elite among elites.
I am only an economic elite in a matter of being in the top 6th of the population. If we look at what really matters, that is, who holds the actual capital, you can see that inside western countries, that hold the majority of the wealth, it is a small number of people that hold the majority of the wealth.
So who has most of the wealth in this world? Judging from the perspective of the truly poor, the answer is "People like you."
What is your point? If you mean it in a 'people in developed countries' way, that this will certainly be their POV. their POV isn't correct, though.
So what are you doing/have you done to relieve the financial inequities of the world in a way that directly negatively impacted your finances, your dreams and aspirations?
How exactly can an lower-middle class student relieve the financial inequities of the world?
Another important thing to realise is that, in a global action, I don't think that pouring money into countries will solve the problem. I don't believe that pouring money is what often needed, generally! It is the change in those countries that is going to change their reality.
Sometimes investment is needed, though. I will be willing to pay higher taxes to install infrastructure in those countries, if such a day of global socialism comes ( though, personally, I think it's far off, since the technology and logistical thought for global government doesn't exist yet. )
So you are talking about Soviet era communism? It was the soviet military brass that had most of the wealth afterall.
It's very obvious you know little to nothing of the soviet system, with statements like that.
For one thing, most of the massive inequality in the distrubution of wealth today is NOT a result of capitalism - it is a result of things that are NOT capitalism, like coercion through force, bribery, etc. Those are not failings of capitalism, they are failures to implement capitalism properly (really it's a failure to enforce the law).
You want to tell me that all people who are extremely rich are very corrupt? I agree.
Moreover, those who DIDN'T get their money through those means got it because they were SMART. Obviously, those who get large amounts of money honestly ("exploiting" the workers) must have some quality that makes them capable of doing this, otherwise EVERYONE would be able to. Like Bill Gates - he isn't "old money". People like that EARNED their money.
a) IIRC, Gates' father was rather rich himself. But that doesn't matter now.
b) GREAT! Gates has created an immense amount of wealth through his superior computer programs! ( ) After Gates getting himself an inormous house, a car, a private jet, and everything else, why on earth would he like to seek and appropriate more money and possessions? I think that this money would be better spent on other things, like developing other infrastructure, etc.
You want to tell me that all people who are extremely rich are very corrupt? I agree.
The thing is, they are rich not through some failing of capitalism, but failing to enforce laws.
a) IIRC, Gates' father was rather rich himself. But that doesn't matter now.
b) GREAT! Gates has created an immense amount of wealth through his superior computer programs! ( ) After Gates getting himself an inormous house, a car, a private jet, and everything else, why on earth would he like to seek and appropriate more money and possessions? I think that this money would be better spent on other things, like developing other infrastructure, etc.
It's his. If he wants to use it to do things like that, sure. IIRC, he's leaving all of his money and stuff to charity, not giving it to his kids.
It's his. If he wants to use it to do things like that, sure. IIRC, he's leaving all of his money and stuff to charity, not giving it to his kids.
That's very nice, but irrelevant. "It's his" is also irrelevant. Remember? no libertarian arguements. we are working for the common good here.
The thing is, they are rich not through some failing of capitalism, but failing to enforce laws.
EVERY EACH AND ONE OF THEM? do you think that every rich person got there through bribery? Damn, even *I* don't think so. We'll make a commie out of you in a split of a second, skywalker.
Originally posted by Azazel
It's very obvious you know little to nothing of the soviet system, with statements like that.
So you want to bring the soviet system to the United States?
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
) After Gates getting himself an inormous house, a car, a private jet, and everything else, why on earth would he like to seek and appropriate more money and possessions? I think that this money would be better spent on other things, like developing other infrastructure, etc.
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