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    But don't blame Bush for this one...

    By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - The Senate defied President Bush (news - web sites) on Thursday and voted to convert half his $20.3 billion Iraqi rebuilding plan into a loan, dealing the White House an embarrassing foreign policy setback.

    Despite an administration lobbying blitz that in recent days involved Bush himself, Vice President **** Cheney (news - web sites), Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) and others, the Republican-run chamber voted 51-47 for a bipartisan proposal making $10 billion of the aid a loan.

    "They rolled out all the heavy artillery they could find," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a one-time Bush rival who sided with the White House.

    "Back home, people were asking for loans," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. in explaining the vote.

    But Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said the roll call was a slap at Bush's policies in Iraq (news - web sites).

    "The Senate sent a strong, bipartisan message to this administration: It must do more to ensure that America's troops and taxpayers don't have to go on shouldering this costly burden virtually alone," Daschle said.

    The loan proposal was the most dramatic change lawmakers have made in the mammoth spending package that the president proposed on Sept. 7.

    Its approval by the Senate marked the first congressional vote in opposition to Bush's policies in Iraq. It was also the latest of several setbacks that Congress has dealt him in recent months on issues including concentration of media ownership, new rules on overtime pay, and travel to Cuba.

    The administration argued that loans would worsen Iraq's foreign debt, slow its recovery and hand a propaganda victory to America's enemies. But the vote underscored that with presidential and congressional elections 13 months away, many lawmakers were more worried about vast new spending for foreign aid at a time of record federal deficits at home.

    "It's very hard for me to go home and explain that we have to give $20 billion to a country sitting on $1 trillion worth of oil," said one loan supporter, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

    The vote came as the House and Senate edged toward approval of similar $87 billion measures to finance American military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan (news - web sites), as well as the reconstruction of both countries. The lion's share of both bills is about $66 billion for U.S. military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, funds over which there was little controversy.

    About two hours before the Senate roll call, the GOP-led House voted 226-200 to kill a similar loan proposal introduced by Democrats. The two chambers will have to negotiate compromise language before a final bill is sent to Bush for his signature — which congressional leaders hope to do before next week's conference of donor nations in Madrid, Spain.

    Frist and other GOP leaders said they would try to restore the grants in House-Senate bargaining.

    "They've counted him (Bush) down and out before. It's just another bump in the road," said Tom Korologos, a congressional lobbyist for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority now running Iraq.

    Eight Republicans abandoned Bush and voted to change his plan: Sens. Sam Brownback of Kansas, Ben Nighthorse Campbell of Colorado, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, John Ensign of Nevada, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

    Democrats who opposed the loan proposal were Joseph Biden of Delaware, Maria Cantwell of Washington, Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, and Zell Miller of Georgia.

    Under the bipartisan loan amendment, the money would be transformed into a grant if other countries agreed to forgive at least 90 percent of the debt they were owed by Iraq. That debt is usually estimated at between $90 billion and $127 billion.

    While the Senate bill provided the full $20.3 billion for rebuilding that Bush sought, the House measure chopped it down to $18.6 billion. It did so by erasing politically fragile proposals: funds for buying $50,000 garbage trucks, creating Iraqi ZIP codes and restoring the country's marshlands.

    The administration and its supporters wanted the rebuilding assistance to be entirely grants financed by U.S. taxpayers. They warned that loans would nurture Arab suspicions about the United States' true motivation in Iraq.

    "The battle for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people is not over by a long shot," said McCain. He said the amendment "will send a clear signal that the United States is really, really there for the oil."

    Cheney called senators during the day hoping to block the loan plan, congressional aides said. And two senators — Arlen Specter, R-Pa., and Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, who had initially said they supported loans switched Thursday and said they had been persuaded to oppose them.

    But as the day wore on in the Senate, expressions of optimism by administration officials and GOP Senate aides faded.

    The White House budget office released a statement saying the administration strongly opposed loans. But the letter omitted any mention of a veto threat, which the office sometimes includes to send a strong message of opposition.

    The sponsors of the Senate loan amendment were Republicans Chambliss, Collins, Ensign, Graham, and Snowe and Democratic Sens. Evan Bayh of Indiana, Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites) of New York, and Ben Nelson of Nebraska.

    Sens. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., and Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., did not vote.
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    Why the **** didn't Joe and Byrd vote against this?! Why the **** did the dems vote for this?!?!

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    • #3
      Very conservative Republicans hate spending money so it's no surprise many of them voted for this. The Democrates mostly did this so they could thumb their collective nose at Bush.
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      • #4
        Daschle claims it's a victory. I guess he means against Bush though.
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        • #5
          Congress

          Anyway, there really isn't any Iraqi government to accept this, so perhaps Bush can simply make it clear that Iraq will never be expected to pay this loan back?
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          • #6
            Well...Way to go dems. Got your dig at Bush at the expense of the Iraqi people...

            This digusts me beyond words. Politics as usual.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
              Why the **** didn't Joe and Byrd vote against this?! Why the **** did the dems vote for this?!?!

              So I take you did not want it in the form of a loan? I think that the recall in california, the fact elections are coming close and the 500 Billion dollar debt for this year all made this sure to happen.
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              • #8
                Re: Iraq Owes Billions To The United States

                Originally posted by Sprayber
                But don't blame Bush for this one...
                Ah, but I pretty much can. The Bush adminstration was the one arguing before the war the Iraqi oil could pay for all the recognstruction, and now that Bush has made that bed he's going to have to lie in it. This doesn't mean I approve of this measure, but the Bush adminstration's statement are partially responsible for it occuring.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jack_www
                  So I take you did not want it in the form of a loan?
                  That depends on how open you wish to be about your desire for Iraqi oil.
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                  • #10
                    ALso keep in mind that US with the new UN resolution might be able to get other countries to pay the loan off for Iraq and maybe the US can get India and other countries to send peacekeepers to Iraq, thus reducing the money US has to spend to keep all those troops in Iraq, since they would be able to withdraw some of them.
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                    • #11
                      This is the biggest bunch of bull**** ever
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        That depends on how open you wish to be about your desire for Iraqi oil.
                        Well US would most likely buy most of it anyways. Maybe Iraq could give us a price break once they have full controll and US can forgive the debt.
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                        • #13
                          IT seems as if Bush is damned if etheir way the way you guys talk . . .
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jack_www
                            Well US would most likely buy most of it anyways.
                            That isn't anywhere near the same as saddling them with loans to be paid from oil revenue.
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                            • #15
                              One could always argue that a more realistic assessment of the costs beforehand wouldn't lead to this sort of little problem.
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