Dell taking on iPod; consumer electronics...

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher

Perhaps if you debated the content rather than blindly causing someone a "hopeless liar" it'd make your position look somewhat less tw*tish.

You are a liar. That has been proved to me beyond all reasonable doubt by your own actions - most blatantly in this last week. Hence I can't be bothered to "debate" with you because you'll just end up telling more lies to save your (inflated) ego.

I'm not the only poster who's caught you out lying, so don't blame me for your problems.

Anyway, Ignore List for you.

[Asher]

When have I lied?

For the record, is "Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire" an acceptable tactic in the world of Philosophy or are you just a rebel?

This is without a doubt, the most pathetic showing you've ever had on Apolyton.

You never even attempted to discuss my points, you had an elementary school mindset from the beginning and avoided discussing the issues (probably because you have no recourse), so you based an entire argument out of baseless ad hominems, not even backing those up, and ending with your "you are a liar! I ignore you now!" tactic.

[Asher]

An interesting article for those of us mature enough to read it: http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/09/100...ahoo&referrer=

Ex-Apple CEO Regrets Nixing Intel
Stephen Lawson, 10.09.03, 1:40 PM ET

Apple should have adopted the Intel architecture when it had the chance, former Apple leader John Sculley said Tuesday.

In the late-1980s, when Apple (nasdaq: AAPL - news - people ) was using the Motorola (nyse: MOT - news - people ) 68000 series chips and considering its next step, Intel co-founder Andy Grove tried to convince the company to migrate to Intel (nasdaq: INTC - news - people ) chips, Sculley told a standing-room-only crowd at the Silicon Valley 4.0 conference, held at the Computer History Museum, in Mountain View, Calif.

An experienced team from Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple studied the idea but turned it down. Apple concluded that Intel's CISC (Complex Instruction Set Computer) architecture ultimately would not be able to compete against RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer) processors, which had a more advanced instruction set, he said. Apple later adopted RISC.

"That's probably one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made, not going to the Intel platform," said Sculley, Apple's former chairman and CEO, now a partner in New York investment firm Sculley Brothers.

As it turned out, Intel was able to keep its CISC architecture and bring the RISC instruction set into it. What Apple had underestimated was the power of Intel's overall system as a manufacturer, bringing billions of dollars to bear on the problem and solving it through evolution, Sculley said.

"They never had to do a heart transplant," he said.

Had it gone to the Intel platform, Apple would have had more options, he said. For one thing, not embracing the endless commoditization of Intel-architecture chips meant Apple couldn't compete on price against "the Dell (nasdaq: DELL - news - people )s of the world," he said. The die was cast. Apple took another path and ended up a different kind of company, Sculley said.

A smaller one, perhaps.

[Drake Tungsten]

Yet another thread ruined before I got to it. If I was Kaak, I'd be pissed right now.

[Asher]

/me idly notes that it's Agathon who ruined it, I was on topic.

It's not my fault that the man can't present a case, and resorts to ad hominem and plugging his ears. And it's not my fault that you're nothing but his cheerleader in all threads, taking cheap shots and adding to the spam he generates.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's pretty clear who really ruined the thread, but I guess one more lie isn't surprising coming from you.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
It's pretty clear who really ruined the thread

Yeah, it is isn't it:

Who asked for your ill-informed opinion?

And now you're taking over, since you haven't even posted a single on-topic post in this thread.

And for the record, if you guys are going to constantly insist I'm lying, would it kill you to actually tell me when I lied? It's kinda lame to insist it in many threads, many times, then ignore it when someone asks where the lying occured...

[Drake Tungsten]

I wanted to ask Kaak how Dell was planning to set up an iTMS-like service without their own equivalent of iTunes, but it's kind of hard to post on-topic when the thread has been jacked beyond all recognition. John Sculley talking about Intel chips? Thanks a lot...

And for the record, if you guys are going to constantly insist I'm lying, would it kill you to actually tell me when I lied?

Don't play dumb; you know exactly what we're talking about. I'm reminded of it every time I listen to the iTunes purchases that were supposed to be deleted by Apple once I got to Japan, according to a certain accuracy-impaired individual.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I wanted to ask Kaak how Dell was planning to set up an iTMS-like service without their own equivalent of iTunes.

You can't comprehend how music can be sold without a media player program? Is this some kind of joke?

but it's kind of hard to post on-topic when the thread has been jacked beyond all recognition. John Sculley talking about Intel chips? Thanks a lot...

You skip half a dozen posts about Agathon's ad hominems against me and childish rants, then you take issue with a Forbes article published today involving Dell and Apple, in a thread about Dell and Apple?

You try too hard...

[Trifna]

You're both liars!!

I'm not too sure which American general (the greatest one during WW2) had this diplomatic diner with the Russians (that he didn't liked):
US general: "You are a son of a bit*h."
USSR general: "You too."
US general: "Then let's drink between two son of b*tches"

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Don't play dumb; you know exactly what we're talking about. I'm reminded of it every time I listen to the iTunes purchases that were supposed to be deleted by Apple once I got to Japan, according to a certain accuracy-impaired individual.

So how am I lying? I'm not the one saying it's happened to me, I'm merely saying it has happened to a woman in Canada, and Apple tech support told her she needed to read the fine print.

The site is here: http://politechbot.com/p-04993.html
There is a follow up here: http://www.interesting-people.org/ar.../msg00150.html

Apple has claimed that the representative was given "wrong information", but either way the songs were deleted. They helped her restore the songs afterwards, so perhaps the reason it's not deleted anymore was Apple realized what a boneheaded move it was and removed that feature.

That does not make me a liar for pointing you to what's happened with someone who's had it happen to them.

Ironically, the person lying here is the one saying I was lying.

[Kaak]

I wanted to ask Kaak how Dell was planning to set up an iTMS-like service without their own equivalent of iTunes, but it's kind of hard to post on-topic when the thread has been jacked beyond all recognition. John Sculley talking about Intel chips? Thanks a lot...

Dell is changing their website. We will have something much like iTunes...

[Q Classic]

honestly, i don't like the itunes app much.

too heavy. give me winamp2x anyday.

[Q Classic]

oh, and trifna, that would be patton.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Asher

Who is immitating who?

Apple wasn't the first company with a harddrive portable media player, nor the first company to sell music online through a service.

its pretty safe to say dell is imitating apple. its the relative success of apple's product that caused the imitation. its the idea that it can work that is being imitated not the trivialness of "someone somewhere has done it before."

apple has caused a lot of waves of imitation on the pc side. including their operating system.