October 14

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Everyone ought to be allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex.

I disagree! Everyone ought to be allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex, of caucasian decent, more than 5'8 feet tall and less than 6'2 feet tall, with blond hair and blue eyes, and not overweight.

Sure there is. Look at what's happening here in Canada. If you believe in preserving marriage, you ought to take concrete steps like this.

Yes, this is a perfect example.

Unless you restrict marriage to heterosexuals, homosexuals will marry.

When homosexuals can marry, closet ******s will divorce their wives and marry the poolboy.

It will be the downfall of religious western civilization.

[MrFun]

Not only do I not understand how "unconditional love," "unconditional acceptance," and "family/community stability" are radical ideas, but I also do not understand how secular unions between people of the same gender threatens other people's marriages.

[Drake Tungsten]

Playing dumb about what "family values" really are isn't going to win you any points, Mr. Fun.

[MrFun]

The problem is that family values is all subjective -- conservatives say that family values means hetero-centric, traditonal families.

Liberals and other groups have different conceptions of what family values entail.

[Drake Tungsten]

The problem is that family values is all subjective -- conservatives say that family values means hetero-centric, traditonal families.

Since conservatives are the ones who started to whole "family values" push, I think their definition is the one we should go by.

[Asher]

"Family Values" is a bunch of bull**** and anyone who is a proponent of a set of unified "Family Values" ought to be compared with Hitler (Godwin's Law).

[Q Classic]

nm.

god, i hate dialup.

[Drake Tungsten]

i do so hate being connected with hitler simply because i think family is a critically important part of society.

Confucius = Hitler!!!

[Asher]

"Family Values", as they've been preached these days, revolve around religiously heterosexual viewpoints and forcing that on other people.

"Family Values" shouldn't be confused with people who simply think loving families are necessary. "Family Values" is more about the status quo than about love and respect, which is why it's bull****.

[Wittlich]

Family Values - Read my signature. Nuff said.

[Drake Tungsten]

Hate is NOT a family Value!

You've obviously never been around me and my brother...

[MrFun]

I'm getting more and more scared by President Bush's extremist behavior in regards to religion and sexual orientation . . . .

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

The problem is that family values is all subjective -- conservatives say that family values means hetero-centric, traditonal families.

Since conservatives are the ones who started to whole "family values" push, I think their definition is the one we should go by.

Why should we allow one group to monopolize this subjective concept for harmful propaganda purposes?

One way to fight this homophobic propaganda approach, is take the words for ourselves, with more inclusive, dignified meaning behind those words.

Look at what homosexuals did for instance, with the pink triangle -- it used to be used by Nazi Germany to publicly designate homosexuals for imprisonment and extermination. Now, homosexuals have taken up the pink triangle for positive, affirmative symbolic use.

[Drake Tungsten]

Why should we allow one group to monopolize this subjective concept for harmful propaganda purposes?

Because they invented it? Why are gays so hell-bent on co-opting elements of society that are openly hostile to them? Seems like a waste of effort.

[Rogan Josh]