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  • #16
    I think we passed the point of no return a while ago. Fook it, let's break sh!t.

    Sorry, I'm on 4hrs sleep and I just don't care right now.

    -Arrian
    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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    • #17
      This was preceded by "Muslim image drops among Americans."
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sir Ralph
        I think the reason of the dramatic image loss in the arab world (and nearly everywhere else too) during and after the Iraq war is not the ease of the victory, but the lack of a casus belli. To oust a dictator is definitely not one, neither is it the suspection of WoMD presence (which is most likely a false claim) without a UNSC mandate. And the claim, that it's just a continuation of GW I is just ridiculous.


        Maybe to oust a dictator should be a casus belli, but then you apply it under a UN mandate, whenever and wherever is necessary.
        "The only way to avoid being miserable is not to have enough leisure to wonder whether you are happy or not. "
        --George Bernard Shaw
        A fast word about oral contraception. I asked a girl to go to bed with me and she said "no".
        --Woody Allen

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        • #19
          Wither you like it or not the action was authorized by the same UNSC resolutions which authorized GW1. The cease fire was never an equal treaty; Saddam agreed to prove to the US's satifaction he had disarmed. If the US is not satisfied with his disarmerment then we can undeclare a cease fire just as easily as we can declare one.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sir Ralph
            I think the reason of the dramatic image loss in the arab world (and nearly everywhere else too) during and after the Iraq war is not the ease of the victory, but the lack of a casus belli. To oust a dictator is definitely not one, neither is it the suspection of WoMD presence (which is most likely a false claim) without a UNSC mandate. And the claim, that it's just a continuation of GW I is just ridiculous.
            YES, a UNSC by 4 western powers, and China would REALLY change a lot to the average muslim.
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #21
              US image has always been rock bottom. So what, I say.

              Muslim image drops among Americans. Even this is a, so what.

              It all comes down to one thing. Who has the biggest stick and who can swings it the best. I think we all know who that is.

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              • #22
                Whether you like it or not, but just like everyone else in this world I am entitled to have my own opinion about this case and the United States as a whole. I don't give a flying **** about the official excuse of the Bush regime for this war, and I can clearly see the reason of the image loss during the last years. My own attitude has changed from fairly pro-american in 2000 to rather anti-american now. Seing the dramatical raise of anti-americanism throughout the world (perhaps except Israel, for obvoius reasons), there must be a majority looking at this mess with the same disgust as I do. And before you blame the actions of my government for this, I don't give a damn about this bunch of morons either.

                Originally posted by Oerdin
                Wither you like it or not the action was authorized by the same UNSC resolutions which authorized GW1. The cease fire was never an equal treaty; Saddam agreed to prove to the US's satifaction he had disarmed. If the US is not satisfied with his disarmerment then we can undeclare a cease fire just as easily as we can declare one.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Oerdin
                  dictators who try to fixate the people on foreigners so that the people won't look at the great failures the dictator has brought at home.
                  You mean like Bush losing 3 million jobs, and increasing the defocit further by cutting taxes to the rich, and giving billions to Hallibuton for reconstruction? (The Marshall Plan only cost $100billion in inflation corrected dollars.)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by realpolitic

                    You mean like Bush losing 3 million jobs, and increasing the defocit further by cutting taxes to the rich, and giving billions to Hallibuton for reconstruction? (The Marshall Plan only cost $100billion in inflation corrected dollars.)
                    Bush lost 3 million jobs? Curious. I didn't realize we had ditched the free market for a governmentally-controlled economy.

                    And how DARE he cut taxes to the rich, instead of simply giving tax cuts to the untaxed.




                    I won't lose much sleep over this.

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                    • #25
                      meh, it depends on why they hate us.

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                      • #26
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                        Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Oerdin

                          but then again there is also the dictators who try to fixate the people on foreigners so that the people won't look at the great failures the dictator has brought at home.


                          Excellent analysis.
                          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                          • #28
                            Tas, does this really surprise you?
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                            • #29
                              Why would it?
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                              • #30
                                "Many Muslims resent the US military presence in Iraq "
                                no ****?
                                "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
                                You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

                                "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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