Quarterback versus the Pass "Rush"

[Dis]

But what about Steve McNair.

That guy is amazing. He can actually pass. Though he doesn't have a deep ball like some QB's. But he does have many short passing schemes. I like McNair because he is a passing QB who can run if need be.

I never liked running QB's (Except Randal Cunningham who went to UNLV ). Being able to scramble is good- like Jake Plummer yesterday. But you aren't going to win superbowls by running. You need to be a good passer. The exception may be Trent Dilfer. But even he was a good passer- not great, but good. Underrated in my opinion. He made the throws when he had to.

[Ned]

It is also clear that if you are a liberal, you can say exactly what Limbaugh said and not be criticized at all. If you are a liberal, your comments, as I excerpted from the Salon.com article, will be discussed seriously. If, in contrast, you are a conservative, you will be defamed and denouced as a racist. You will suffer demands from leading Democrat political figures for your head to be placed on the end of a stake.

What all this shows is that the attacks on Limbaugh have nothing at all to do with race. They have everything to do with politics - everything. It is just one more example of how the left tries to win the contest of ideas by defamation.

[Dis]

well you have to admit, alot of conservatives have been proven to be racist

[Japher]

a lot of liberals as well... I think more conservatives, only because liberals are so quick to yell "racist" at any conservative who blinks... The liberals do this to hide how racist they are, it's a magicians trick; drawing attention away from the illusion.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
They angrily denounced Rush Limbaugh to a man. They said they had never been consulted about having Rush on the show and seem to resent Rush deeply. I have never seen its like, ever.

They are the reason Rush had to resign. My understanding is that most of the crew was no longer prepared to work with him.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher


That's because;

a) They weren't racist.

or

b) Black people are so dumb that it takes a white man to point out when they are being made fun of.

You take your pick.

Or C, they didn't want to start an on air fight.

[Japher]

Or C, they didn't want to start an on air fight.

response:

Tom, on Sunday, said he had been taking a lot of heat for not questioning Rush's race comment at the time.

Rush said he understood the kind of heat the cast was under and wanted to spare them. He said that he had been taking the heat for years, but that it was clear that his fellow cast members did not want to deal with it.

I don't think an on air fight was in Jackson's mind at the time of the comment.

Still, I think you may be on to something in that ESPN used this comment (and the heat) to get rid of Rush. His "firing" had nothing to do with any of it, most networks love attention like this... He was probably just really hard to work with.

[Berzerker]

Diss -

But what about Steve McNair.

That guy is amazing.

Limbaugh has said McNair is one of the best in the league. And you're ignoring what Limbaugh said, he said McNabb was hyped from the get go, meaning from when he entered the league. Limbaugh was not stating an opinion about all black QB's at this point in time. Imran posted an article from Slate here showing that McNabb was hyped by comparing him to Brad Johnson of Tampa Bay...

But don't let his actual words get in the way of your "critique"...

[Berzerker]

He was probably just really hard to work with

I don't believe that for a second.

[Japher]

Round 1 of the 1999 NFL Draft

1. Cleveland -- Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
2. Philadelphia -- Donovan McNabb, QB, Syracuse
3. Cincinnati -- Akili Smith, QB, Oregon

Who the heck is Akili Smith!!!??

Anyway, also in this draft is Aaron Brooks, drafted in the 4th round, 36th pick.

In the 4.5 years they have been playing Brooks has a 79.3 passer rating, Couch a 75.9, and McNabb a 77.0... All of these rating are not worthy of any attention... Yet, if you look at McNabb's las year he had a 86.0, but this year a 51.3... Man, how right is Rush!? Couch is currently throwing a 102.4!!!

Brooks has almost all of the Saints passing records and has taken the Saints to the playoffs 2 of the 4 years he has been in the league...

If the media wants to tout someone it should be Brooks, he is a much better black QB... Or, tout Couch, he may be white, but he's on the Browns!

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident
well you have to admit, alot of conservatives have been proven to be racist

More defamation.

I could also say that a lot of liberals are anti-religious bigots.

[Ned]

If that Salon.com clip is right, McNabb and Stewart are actually very limited passing quarterbacks that have to operate with a simplified offensive schemes in order to function at all. What they lack in passing skill is made up in scrambling ability when receivers are not open, or the pass blocking breaks down.

However, McNabb clearly has been hyped while Stewart has been villified. Why the difference? McNabb's high draft slot?

I was very impressed by Michael Vick. He seems to have it all. As well, Carter on the Dallas team is doing quite well this year. Very impressive.

(And, speaking of racism, note the media refers to black quarterbacks by their first names.)

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't think of Donovan McNabb as a black quarterback and I didn't think of Rhodes as a black coach.

He might be right on the first part of that statement (black QBs), but I don't believe for a second on the second part of the statement. He definetly thinks of Rhodes as a black coach when there is a vacancy and it is filled by a white coach. This is why the NFL has a minority coach interview program and teams get in trouble if they hire a white coach without interviewing black candidates. Sportswriters are notorious for going off on teams that don't serious look at 'black' candidates (ask Detroit or Jacksonville). So they definetly look at coaches as black coaches.

However, McNabb clearly has been hyped while Stewart has been villified.

Not always. Stewart was very hyped as 'Slash' and then in 2001, where he was being promoted as an MVP candidate. It's only lately that he has been seen as an average QB (maybe it was because Tommy Maddox showed what an above average QB could do with the Steelers offense last year).

[Verto]

We all know it's just easier to denounce Rush as a crazed, sexist and racist, than to give what he said any serious thought. As said before, Rush did not say anything racist, nor do I believe he himself has racist beliefs.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ned
It is also clear that if you are a liberal, you can say exactly what Limbaugh said and not be criticized at all. If you are a liberal, your comments, as I excerpted from the Salon.com article, will be discussed seriously. If, in contrast, you are a conservative, you will be defamed and denouced as a racist. You will suffer demands from leading Democrat political figures for your head to be placed on the end of a stake.

What all this shows is that the attacks on Limbaugh have nothing at all to do with race. They have everything to do with politics - everything. It is just one more example of how the left tries to win the contest of ideas by defamation.

Oh yeah, the poor persecuted conservatives.

Don Cherry, a TV hockey commentator, is definitely not politically correct.

People attack him all the time for what he says, and he still has his job. Why? Because he has credibility (He's a former coach of the Boston Bruins).

About six months ago, Cherry went on a rant, attacking the Canadian government for not supporting the US invasion of Iraq. CBC executives wanted to fire him, but they couldn't because he's got tonnes of support from hockey fans. Even the fans who disagreed with him, like me, said he should stay.

Limbaugh has no credibility. He's just a racist loud mouth.