This is why the Israeli side is morally superior to the Palestinians.

[our_man]

The Easter Rising was certainly not a peaceful action Oerdin, I agree with you there. If you've ever read some of the stuff Pearse wrote, you'd be pretty shocked - he saw the Rising as a "blood sacrfice" and looked forward to becoming a martyr. Which the British happily obliged when they lined him and the other leaders up against the wall and shot them. Pearse was a fanatic.

The serious fighting only started when the British sent their soldiers in to force the rebels out. Almost all of the tragic civilian deaths resulted from the crossfire between the two forces.

[lord of the mark]

Re: Re: This is why the Israeli side is morally superior to the Palestinians.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
How many IDF soldiers have been held repsonsible for murdering Palestinians? Was the ****-up who ordered a bomb dropped on a house of sleeping children disciplined, let alone court martialed? Yes, they presecute a handful of settlers, though many more get away with murder and assault all the time. So maybe they're .1 percent better.

Israeli officer indicted for killing 4 in Jenin

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Have the Palestinians done the same

Do they have a state?

[chequita guevara]

Re: Re: Re: This is why the Israeli side is morally superior to the Palestinians.

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Israeli officer indicted for killing 4 in Jenin

Excellent. The squeeky chegitz gets the grease.

[Elok]

Originally posted by elijah
I JUST DON'T CARE ANYMORE!!!
I just want peace and I don't give two ****s how we get it.

I used to think peace in the Holy Land could only be achieved by simply dropping a thermonuclear weapon on Jerusalem; with no people there, no war is technically possible, right?

Lately, however, I have come to realize even that won't work. After the blast had settled, the cockroaches who survived would immediately begin fighting over the rubble of the Dome of the Rock. By the time we killed the cockroaches, Godzilla and Allahrodan would have mutated into existence and started a brawl. Even if they didn't, the guys in bunny suits on the decon crew would probably just spontaneously attack each other the moment they set foot on the remains of the Gaza Strip. The area is far too acclimated to habitual explosions and death by now.

In all seriousness though, it seems one or both sides has less-than-total interest in peace at the moment (judging by the number of cease-fires broken over the past half-century), and while I don't know enough about the situation to point fingers, I don't think they're going to get along until everyone concerned has cut the crap.

[chequita guevara]

Tell both sides that their conduct has proved they are both unworthy to administer the Holy Land, and then give it to the Buddists.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I freely acknowledge that 60 years ago, before the existence of an Israeli state, there were Jewish terrorist organizations that worked towards statehood. I also acknowledge that some members of these terror organizations even got into politics after the War of Independence. The point is Israel outlawed all of these terror organizations and people who continued membership in these organizations were put in jail. Have the Palestinians done the same

I'll echo che... have the Palestinians a state? After all Israel clamped down on these groups only after statehood.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I freely acknowledge that 60 years ago, before the existence of an Israeli state, there were Jewish terrorist organizations that worked towards statehood. I also acknowledge that some members of these terror organizations even got into politics after the War of Independence. The point is Israel outlawed all of these terror organizations and people who continued membership in these organizations were put in jail. Have the Palestinians done the same

I'll echo che... have the Palestinians a state? After all Israel clamped down on these groups only after statehood.

britain maintained full authority over Palestine until Israeli statehood was declared, IIRC. There was no equivalent of Oslo, whereby PA was given authority of some land prior to statehood. I am quite certain that if Ben Gurion had been given the equivalent of what the Pals had under Oslo, and have had again after recent Israeli withdrawls, he would have clamped down on Lehi and Etzel. (of course he also would have brought in hundreds of thousands of displaced persons from Europe, which is why the Brits didnt do it)In fact ISTR accusations from Etzel (in Begin's autobiography?) that the Ben Gurion dominated institutions, the Haganah and the Jewish Agency, were passing info to the brits to help arrest etzel members- certainly the Haganah wasnt protesting the Brit campaign against the Underground, much less executing as collaborators people who helped the brits)

[lord of the mark]

nor did ben gurion pass funds to etzel.

nor did Ben gurion use etzel to undercut other members of the Labor party, as Arafat has used Hamas to undercut Abbas.

Nor did Ben Gurion pretend to negotiate a ceasefire, acting as middleman between the Brits and Etzel. That was impossible, Etzel being illegal.

This of course, despite the fact that Hamas makes Etzel look like a bunch of quakers.

[lord of the mark]

of course in all fairness this was because the Jewish Underground asassinated Ben Gurions Lbor party colleague, Chaim Arlosoroff. Neither Hamas nor IJ, AFAIK, have ever assasinated a senior Fatah figure. You see, Hamas and IJ arent enemies of Fatah the way Etzel and Lehi were enemies of Labor. Which is precisely the point.

[Elok]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Tell both sides that their conduct has proved they are both unworthy to administer the Holy Land, and then give it to the Buddists.

Dear god, I should hope not. There are enough suicide bombers as is without everyone believing they're gonna come right back again!
Or did you mean Buddhist in the purely philosophical sense?

[MrFun]

Give all the territory to the Martians.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Elok

, and while I don't know enough about the situation to point fingers, I don't think they're going to get along until everyone concerned has cut the crap.

well since this thread is about the situation, maybe you should just read it and learn.

[Elok]

Ah, which part of the thread? I see about a hundred different opinions here, all mutually incompatible.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Elok
Ah, which part of the thread? I see about a hundred different opinions here, all mutually incompatible.

read all the mutually incompatible opinions, and try to make sort through them. thats what I would do.