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  • #121
    Why do you mention happiness in particular?

    Seriously, to be precise, it's not happiness, but generally feeling good. Feeling good isn't something that has to be described. But if you want to get into the biochemistry of it, I can.
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    • #122
      I betcha I can define freedom (in fundamental terms) much more easily than you can define what it is to feel good. Freedom = lack of constraint. Your turn, bloody utilitarian.
      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
      -Bokonon

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      • #123
        feeling good= a sort of pulse or a series of pulses in our nervous system.
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        • #124
          What sort of pulse/series of pulses in our nervous system? (Give up, you won't be able to explain it in terms simpler than how I've explained freedom )
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
          -Bokonon

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          • #125
            The one that hits the pleasure center in the brain, of course.
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            • #126
              What's the pleasure center of the brain, exactly? What are the parameters of the electrical pulses?
              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
              -Bokonon

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              • #127
                The point is, this is already sounding more complex than "lack of constraint," and by your critera your moral system therefore makes less sense than mine.
                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                -Bokonon

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                • #128
                  smartass. You know it's much more simple. ( seriously)
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                  • #129
                    But it isn't. "Lack of constraint is good" IMO is a pretty damn elegant basis for a moral system.
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                    -Bokonon

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                    • #130
                      Yours demands conceptual thinking. Mine predates words themselves. You don't have to know about the existance of neurochemical reactions to understand what does it mean to feel good.
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                      • #131
                        It's a good thing I'm capable of conceptual thinking then.

                        Morality is an abstract concept. What's the problem if it should be based on another abstract concept?
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #132
                          Because something down the line shouldn't be based on an abstract concept.
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                          • #133
                            Why?
                            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                            -Bokonon

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                            • #134
                              ....
                              because.

                              Seriously, it's quite obvious. Your description of any abstract concept should in the end be based on some un-abstract thing. Otherwise, I just might start a new religion based on the ultimate virtue of uhjgf
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                              • #135
                                It isn't obvious. And uhjgf isn't an abstract concept, it's an undefined concept.
                                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                                -Bokonon

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