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Man cuts his teenage daughter's throat for no good reason
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I think these folks are more Lebanese than any kind of Christians. Sad that they would value honour over a person's life.
How would that make them different from the masses of European Christians over the past two thousand years?
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Originally posted by Ned
The extremism of the Muslim faith is appalling. (Or is it only a sect that is extreme?) Since I support "freedom of religion," I would be hesitant to ban Islam. But short of that, what can we do about it?
Regarding this as a religous issue misses the point. This is a case of a guy loosing his favourite punching bag and not being able to cope with life without that avenue to demonstrate his power over others.
It happens a lot; usually with people killing their wives/partners. The difference is that his cultural background made him expect to keep control over his daughter until she married, something he could prevent indefinitely providing she only courted traditional Moslems.
It's to bad you Euros have outlawed the death penalty because this man surely deserves to die. I am also saddened that you let the assessory to this murder, the mother/wife, walk away Scot free. She watched the whole thing, from the beatings to her daughter's murder, yet did nothing. If a person has it in her power to stop abuse or murder then she has a moral & legal obligation to do so. To not call the police, get a neighbor, or in any way intervene to save her daughter's life is despicable. This lady deserves to spend years in jail for it.
It wasn't just the mother Oerdin. From the article the police were suggesting that a substantial number of people were aware of what he was doing, but didn't do anything to stop it.
I don't agree with you about the death penalty, but whoever was involved in the conspiracy of silence is an accessory to murder in my eyes, and should be treated as such.
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He did try to kill himself after he did it (slit his throat, and jumped from the 3rd story of his building), and again when he got out of hospital. The guy obviously want to die, so why grant him the satisfaction. He did rty to blame Al-Qaeda at first for the killing :boggle:
The whole concept of honour killings is so foreign to me I can't even imagine how his thought processes must've worked.
The culture of silence thing is because in certain communities these things are seen as necessary, and squealing on a community member to the police would prolly get yourself killed whilst you're at it.
Has it occured to you that it is because morality is relative that one can find this immoral, when the man who did it (and others from the same school of thought) obviously do not?
It occured to me. But why would the moral relativist condemn the man's actions, since he obviously believed in it?
Has it occured to you that it is because morality is relative that one can find this immoral, when the man who did it (and others from the same school of thought) obviously do not?
If the action, then, isn't actually WRONG, then why do you support laws against murder?
Originally posted by Osweld
Morality on it's own justifies nothing outside personal experience and opinion, unless you manage to appeal to other people's morality. Good luck geting a unaminous vote on that, though.
And just to make my self absolutely clear, it is because morality is relative that I can disagree with someones morals.
And that is what morality is all about, judging people and their actions - I can disagree with his actions and view them as wrong, because I do not have the same morals as him.
Morality on it's own justifies nothing outside personal experience and opinion, unless you manage to appeal to other people's morality. Good luck geting a unaminous vote on that, though.
You aren't one of those people who believes in laws against murder because murder disrupts society, not because murder is wrong, are you?
Originally posted by David Floyd
You aren't one of those people who believes in laws against murder because murder disrupts society, not because murder is wrong, are you?
That's why murder is wrong.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Let's go over this again. It's people's morality that determines how they see an action.
A murderer can see killing someone as a perfectly fine thing to do, but the people around him do not neccisarily agree with that and it is their morals that will determine how they react to him- If they feel he is wrong, they'll act negatively towards him. That is what the law is supposed to do - uphold it's society's moral values. Which is why the law in this man's native home probably would not punish him.
Originally posted by Azazel
Osweld: yes, but this is where morals and ethics differ. Ethics aren't personal.
Morals, ethics, same thing. Everything's relative.
You might like to think that your ethics are the universal law, but that's just delusion. If ethics and morality where not relative, there would never be debate on wether something is ethical.
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