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Capitalist imperialism was. It wouldn't have existed without the enlightenment.
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
All you had to do was look at how everyone else spelled it.
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Capitalism wouldn't have existed without the enlightenment. Imperialism still would.Originally posted by Ramo
Capitalist imperialism was. It wouldn't have existed without the enlightenment.Comment
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Right. So capitalist imperialism wouldn't have existed without the enlightenment."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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great game.
westerners sure know how to waste time.B♭3Comment
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There were certainly merchantilist aspects to the earlier colonialism. The Spanish were always trying to prevent traders from other nations from visiting their colonial ports. They wanted to save 100% of those markets for Spanish merchants; of course the people who lived in the colonies still wanted goods at the lowest price possible so the system never worked the way the Spanish wanted it to.Originally posted by Ramo
Well, I'd classify both styles of imperialistic policies (Spanish/Portuguese/French and English/Dutch) mercantilistic in their own ways. I'm not sure what you mean.
That didn't stop Spain or the other colonial powers from passing navigation acts though.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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great game.
westerners sure know how to waste time.
Says the man whose people spend most of their waking lives playing Starcraft.
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smartass.Originally posted by Ramo
Right. So capitalist imperialism wouldn't have existed without the enlightenment. it would still exist, it just wouldn't have been capitalist.
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Not really. The English and Dutch were much more adamant than the Spanish (and Portuguese) about preventing other traders from visiting their colonial ports. The Spanish and Portuguese didn't care that much about maintaining dominance over their colonial markets - precious metals were much more important for them. That's pretty much why they were displaced.There were certainly merchantilist aspects to the earlier colonialism. The Spanish were always trying to prevent traders from other nations from visiting their colonial ports. They wanted to save 100% of those markets for Spanish merchants; of course the people who lived in the colonies still wanted goods at the lowest price possible so the system never worked the way the Spanish wanted it to."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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But they didn't. pre-capitalist forms of imperialism were on the decline. France and Spain had lost most of their empires. The Portugese and Dutch lost their colonies in Africa.Originally posted by Azazel
Yes, the processes by which they operate are different, but in the case of European domination of the world, the one naturally flowed into the other.
Only Britain's empire expanded, despite the loss of a good chunk of North America, and that's because, from the begining, British Imperialism was about capitalism and not piracy, plunder, and pillage. British imperialism was about building and investing. That what capitalist imperialism is all about, seeking a place to invest you profits, controling the markets, etc.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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The great Japanese hunter bags another one.Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Cbeast!
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Says the man whose people spend most of their waking lives playing Starcraft.
well, yeah, but that's not wasting time. you can make good money doing that.
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So does capitalism predate the enlightenment?Originally posted by chegitz guevara
But they didn't. pre-capitalist forms of imperialism were on the decline. France and Spain had lost most of their empires. The Portugese and Dutch lost their colonies in Africa.
Only Britain's empire expanded, despite the loss of a good chunk of North America, and that's because, from the begining, British Imperialism was about capitalism and not piracy, plunder, and pillage. British imperialism was about building and investing. That what capitalist imperialism is all about, seeking a place to invest you profits, controling the markets, etc.Comment
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