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  • #16
    Originally posted by DanS
    By virtue of the fact that the UK is an island nation, it has its finger in the affairs of more places than does France. This is somewhat less true since the UK gave up Hong Kong.

    But I meant it more as a balancing factor between the UK and France, and not an overall argument about the validity of the seat on the council (I dismiss the validity of two seats on economic grounds). As far as I'm concerned, the members of the EU should fight for the seat allocated to them, or share it, as y'all see fit.
    You share yours with the NAFTA countries then
    Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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    • #17
      Again, as I said, I don't care who has the seat in the EU. France, the UK, or Germany. Makes no difference to me.

      Besides, sharing our seat with the other NAFTA countries is a daft idea.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #18
        Well I think sharing the UK's veto with luxembourg and Belgium is a daft idea.
        Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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        • #19
          Good for you. Figure it out yourselves.

          The fact remains that having both the #6 and #7 economies in the club (and #21 and #22 in terms of population, respectively), especially when they're geographically colocated, doesn't make much sense.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #20
            I think we should challenge the French and Germans to a cricket match to settle this!
            If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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            • #21
              I fail to see how geographical location has anything to do with it. Russai is next to China. Russia is an economic basket case. If Mexico suddenly gets rich quick will you share your veto with them
              Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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              • #22
                It wouldn't make sense to have an "EU" seat at the UN until the EU really was one country and not the disfunctional mess it currently is.
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                • #23
                  Russia is a special case, since it has the largest landmass and abuts the most countries of any in the world (or whatever). Mexico is an interesting possibility, but I don't think they will ever make it into a great power. Currently #11 in population and #13 in economy. Brazil could make a case based on geography and population.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
                    I think we should challenge the French and Germans to a cricket match to settle this!
                    The embarrasment if we lost would be unbearable.
                    Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                    • #25
                      Maybe if you made it a Rugby match it would be a fairer fight.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #26
                        china's also right next to japan-- why should they both have it? co-location, right?
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                        • #27
                          China is #1 in population and #2 in economy. Japan is #3 in economy and #10 in population. I think that's a pretty strong argument, even though I agree that the colocation with a shoe-in member is a minus in Japan's column.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            Good for you. Figure it out yourselves.

                            The fact remains that having both the #6 and #7 economies in the club (and #21 and #22 in terms of population, respectively), especially when they're geographically colocated, doesn't make much sense.
                            This veto point deserves to be discussed, but the geographico-economic criteria is far from being the only one to be considered.
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                            • #29
                              Chinas economy is no 2 in terms of raw numbers it is no where near that of Japans in technological capability
                              Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                              • #30
                                I have three basic criteria, in order of importance:

                                1) Economy;
                                2) Geography; and
                                3) Population.

                                I would be willing to consider other criteria, of course. But these 3 criteria are the primary determinants of power.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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