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I wonder why there are no numbers of the percentage of people that voted at all. I heard it to be very low.
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Where, in Bavaria? 57.3%Originally posted by Atahualpa
I wonder why there are no numbers of the percentage of people that voted at all. I heard it to be very low.Comment
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nye:
"The truth is your side cannot tolerate a real difference from you."
Yes sure, having the opinion "this war is stupid - we don't want a piece of it" is a lack of tolerance for Bush's wars. Evil, intolerant europeans. And antisemitic, too, in some way. Anyone who doesn't like bombing arabs has to be antisemitic.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Why is Stoiber loved in Bavaria and loathed elsewhere?No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Traditions and/or a difference in Mentality.Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Why is Stoiber loved in Bavaria and loathed elsewhere?
It hasn´t to do anything with him being Stoiber, but with him being Cancicate of the CSU.
For some strange Reasons the CSU is the Party of Choice in Bavaria, SPD and othr Parties never ever had a chance to get elected there.
But why?
Maybe mentality.
After all large Parts of Bavaria are somewhat more religious (mostly Catholicism [which is btw. considered to be a more conservative Religion than other Religions here]) than other Parts of the BRD (which may have to do with the Fact, that Bavaria is very mountainous and large parts of the Bavarian opulaton live in very small rural townships, where the Catholic Church has a lot of Influence).
And CSU stands für Christian socialistic Union, i.e. for a Christian (and btw. more conservative) Party.
Maybe therefore the CSU will still get elected in Bavaria in 20 years
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"Comment
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There's a certain anti-bavarian resentment in the population, similar to the anti-texan in the USA. Bavarians are seen as separatistic and reactionary nutcases. And since Stoiber sounds off with "Bavaria first" paroles and permanently resorts to self-compliments ("we're the greatest and best and y'all are dorks"Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Why is Stoiber loved in Bavaria and loathed elsewhere?, as if Bavaria wasn't subsided for decades by the other states), people see in him the Ü
r-nutcase.
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Stoiber stands for traditional values (= values from 100years ago or even more back in time...). The Bavarians like that. Most other Germans do not (or at least not that radical...).If its no fun why do it? Dance like noone is watching...Comment
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It stands for "Christian-Social Union". You could be tared and feathered in Bavaria, if you call the CSU "socialist".Originally posted by Proteus_MST
And CSU stands für Christian socialistic Union, i.e. for a Christian (and btw. more conservative) Party.
That's for sure. May be I will elect them next time too, if I then still live in Bavaria, that is.Maybe therefore the CSU will still get elected in Bavaria in 20 years
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Yep. My fault, maybe someting to do with FreudOriginally posted by Sir Ralph
It stands for "Christian-Social Union". You could be tared and feathered in Bavaria, if you call the CSU "socialist".
Just too little Contact to the CSU, as I live in NRW
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"Comment
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Interesting that the percentage of people who voted dropped from 69.8% in 1998 to 57.3%. Thats a hefty drop of 12.5%
The SPD and CSU both have lost very much to non-voters (source (german): http://stat.tagesschau.de/wahl-03-by/ )
Overall I think it is quite strange to speak of victory and all that when just a bit more than 50% of the people cared to vote. This is IMO a defeat to all politicians and parties.
Just imagine there are sitting about 20-30% of the people that may want to vote but do not because of frustration or lack of choice.
If somebody does not motivate these people democracy will utterly fail in the end.
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Most of the people that didn´t vote were probabaly disappointed SPD voters. Also the good weather may have played a role.
Edit: And of course the fact that the polls indicated already a huge victory for the CSU before sunday.BlahComment
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Well clearly his anti-Iraq-war position helped him, but to equate Anti-War=Anti-American is IMO much too simple. He also gained a lot of support when he handled the flood crisis in Eastern Germany before the elections.Originally posted by Oerdin
Dyl: Do you honestly contest that Schroeder was not behind in the polls before he began his anti-American rants? It's pretty clear he moved into the lead upon his anti-Bush/American positions.
I don´t question that there is a certain stupid anti-American ressentiment in a certain part of the German population, but to the bigger part what many Americans view as anti-Americanism is mainly anti-Bushism, because many people simply do not like his policies. That is not the same as holding stupid stereotypes about America or its people as a whole (as said such views exist too, but I doubt they play the biggest role).BlahComment
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But the fact remains that you can't argue with the success that Bavaria has built. Bavaria should be emulated rather than dumped on.And since Stoiber sounds off with "Bavaria first" paroles and permanently resorts to self-compliments ("we're the greatest and best and y'all are dorks" , as if Bavaria wasn't subsided for decades by the other states), people see in him the Über-nutcase.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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True, but every state would flourish like Bavaria after decades of getting money sticked in every hole. After WW2 Bavaria was a backward agrarian country. To make it an efficient industrial and high tech state took the effort of the whole Germany. The economical success of Bavaria in general and the CSU in particular is out of question, after all the subsidies were well invested instead of being consumed, but Stoibers pointing at the own chest and yelling "we are the greatest and you should take us as example" is misplaced and of course not very welcome in the rest of Germany.Originally posted by DanS
But the fact remains that you can't argue with the success that Bavaria has built. Bavaria should be emulated rather than dumped on.Comment
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I would have to see some figures for the magnitude of these subsidies versus the subsidies that others have received.True, but every state would flourish like Bavaria after decades of getting money sticked in every hole. After WW2 Bavaria was a backward agrarian country. To make it an efficient industrial and high tech state took the effort of the whole Germany
No, it's perfectly placed, if not very welcomed.but Stoibers pointing at the own chest and yelling "we are the greatest and you should take us as example" is misplaced and of course not very welcome in the rest of Germany
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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