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  • #16
    European voters don't vote based solely on the business cycle. I find it funny when the nanny state is held responsible for giving everyone a job.
    That's not the half of it. Even though Bush hasn't been shy about doing things for the economy, the wolves are still baying.

    Anyway, I'm a firm believer in the punishment principle. The Germans should have thrown Schroeder out of office for doing precious little while the country double dipped.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sir Ralph
      I grant Oerdin this one, he was behind in the polls and won by a campaign opposing the American warmongering. The vast majority of our population supported this. I don't see why it is a bad thing promising (and then keeping the promise!) what the majority of the population wants. I can't say I'm unhappy with Schroeders foreign policy. It may be performed arkwardly sometimes, but the general direction is ok. His domestic policy sucks, though.

      But what all this has to do with the election of the Bavarian parliament, remains a mystery.
      Maybe, I don´t know.
      It could also have something to to do with other Aspects of his Election Campaign, such as lying about the successes, his government has made during the 4 years before.

      But of course, as most of the Germans saw (and still see) the Iraq Wars as illegal, he made a wise move in declaring, that Germany wouldn´t get involved into the war (and keping the promise). I also fail to see anything bad in tryng to do what the majority of your Population wants.

      As for the next natonal Elections, I think it depends very much on how well the economy is running during this time. If Elections were held at the moment I think, that the SPD (Schröders party) wouldn´t win, because of the bad economic Situation (despite Angela Merkel (CDU) making a very bad Move for the PR of the CDU/CSU by kissing Bushs ass during her Visit in Washington).
      But it is a long time till 2006, maybe the economic Situation is better at this time and Schröder might have a chance to win the Elections again
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Oerdin
        Dyl: Do you honestly contest that Schroeder was not behind in the polls before he began his anti-American rants? It's pretty clear he moved into the lead upon his anti-Bush/American positions.
        He gained a couple percentage points by being against your silly Iraq adventure, in agreement with the vast majority of public opinion. That's not anti-american, he could have played that card much more ruthlessly.
        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DanS
          Anyway, I'm a firm believer in the punishment principle. The Germans should have thrown Schroeder out of office for doing precious little while the country double dipped.
          I believe in that principle too, but on a performance standard, you would have to publicly quarter any Repubicrat.
          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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          • #20
            I don't know. It seemed pretty clearly anti-american from where I'm standing.
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            • #21
              You're used to the pathetic state of US public debate, where every disgagreement with the dear leader is anti-something (antiamerican, antisemitic). Schröder's comments were tame compared to Rumsie's ramblings. He could have said that Bush is a war criminal, but he didn't, that dumb lameass.
              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by HershOstropoler


                He gained a couple percentage points by being against your silly Iraq adventure, in agreement with the vast majority of public opinion. That's not anti-american, he could have played that card much more ruthlessly.
                Like by having a cabinet minister call Bush a Nazi?
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                • #23
                  He didn't order her to say that*, and she was sacked. Where's Rummy for his Lybia comment?

                  * More precisely, that Bush uses foreign policy to detract from domestic issues, and that pattern is known since Nazi times.
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Proteus_MST
                    As for the next natonal Elections, I think it depends very much on how well the economy is running during this time. If Elections were held at the moment I think, that the SPD (Schröders party) wouldn´t win, because of the bad economic Situation (despite Angela Merkel (CDU) making a very bad Move for the PR of the CDU/CSU by kissing Bushs ass during her Visit in Washington).
                    But it is a long time till 2006, maybe the economic Situation is better at this time and Schröder might have a chance to win the Elections again
                    The right wing may have the upper hand right now, but elections are won by the success in the last 4-6 weeks before the polls and not by something what happened 3 years ago. Also, the Germans have not forgotten, who rode them in the deep **** by 16 straight years doing nothing ("sitting things out", if this is a good translations of "aussitzen" ). That were the same conservatives, who now scream, that they have the patented recipe to get us out of the misery. I don't want to defend Schröder, he is domestically incompetent, but the right wing is not any better.

                    I give Schröder a decent chance for winning in 2006 again, if his opponent is Stoiber. Even if a majority of Germans may tend to vote conservative. But Stoibers popularity is limited by the state borders of Bavaria. Everywhere else he's loathed. And the feeling "Conservative - maybe, Stoiber - never!) may gain the upper hand again.

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                    • #25
                      Yeah right. She came out of a vaccuum and just picked that off the tree, right?

                      Come on, I live in a country where the chattering classes like to regard Bush, and any other Republican who resides in the White House, as a chimp at best. If one of them hicks actually does something disliked on the international stage, then the gloves come off and the pooh really flies.

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                      • #26
                        "Come on, I live in a country where the chattering classes like to regard Bush, and any other Republican who resides in the White House, as a chimp at best."

                        Which is really mean to monkeys.

                        "If one of them hicks actually does something disliked on the international stage, then the gloves come off and the pooh really flies."

                        Fine with me. Just that our side is still way too indirect.
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #27
                          hahahahahahahahaahahahaaha

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                          • #28
                            Elections in a one-party state, who cares?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by notyoueither
                              hahahahahahahahaahahahaaha

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                              The truth is your side cannot tolerate a real difference from you.
                              That's why the poo flies when a Republican wins.
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                              • #30
                                But, they are not anti-American. Just unable to tolerate the wishes of some half of the population of the US.

                                When someone wins who will just launch a few cruise missiles at tents, it's all good.
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