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    Schroeder Heading for Landslide Defeat in Bavaria
    Sat September 20, 2003 06:50 PM ET
    By James Mackenzie
    MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrats face their third major defeat this year Sunday in a state election that Bavarian premier Edmund Stoiber is forecast to win by a landslide.

    Polls predict Stoiber's Christian Social Union (CSU), which has held power in the Alpine state of Bavaria for four decades, will increase its share of the vote to about 60 percent, while the Social Democrats (SPD) will struggle to top 20 percent.

    After heavy defeats in state polls in Hesse and Lower Saxony, another big loss would underline Schroeder's weak standing nationally and step up pressure as he attempts to steer an ambitious package of reforms through parliament this autumn.

    It would also represent a measure of revenge for Stoiber a year to the day since Schroeder defeated him by just 6,000 votes in last September's general election.

    But the election should also open the way for Schroeder to start serious negotiations with the conservatives over the painful program of welfare, health and pension reforms and a related set of tax cuts he is counting on to help kick start the stagnant economy.

    Talks in Berlin between the SPD and the conservatives, who can block most of the measures as they control the upper house of parliament, have come to a standstill in the run-up to the election. The conservatives do not want to be seen to back vote-losing welfare cuts during the campaign.

    The conservatives have been at pains to play down some predictions that their majority could end up as high as two thirds but the SPD has effectively written off Bavaria, where the CSU has held an absolute majority since 1962.

    Stoiber's traditional appearance in Bavarian costume at the opening of the annual Oktoberfest beer festival in Munich on Saturday was greeted with the customary roar of approval from the crowd and he has made great play of Bavaria's solid economy in the campaign.

    But a landslide win would also reinforce his position as one of the leaders of the national opposition, potentially giving him a role as kingmaker in anointing a future challenger to Schroeder or even allowing him to resume the mantle himself at the next elections in 2006.


    What does this portend for the German national elections in 2006? Is Schroeder doomed? Can he fight his way out of this ever-deepening pit? Will Americans ever consistantly spell his name correctly?
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

  • #2
    Schroeder won national office by identifying himself as an anti-American candidate. I can only hope that bastard chokes on his positions and Germany is left in the hands of a more moderate politician.
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    • #3
      Stoiber already lost against Schroeder last year and I'm not sure if he can win in 2006. Thing is, Bavaria doesn't really belong to Germany. It's a bit like Texas and the USA. Outside of Bavaria nobody really likes Stoiber. For a victory of the right wing in Germany he is rather an obstacle.

      I didn't vote for him yesterday. He's a nutcase. Neither did I vote for the moronic Social democrats.

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      • #4
        Defeat in Bavaria is a given for the SPD. I wouldn't read too much into it.
        "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
        -Joan Robinson

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        • #5
          I thought that the German voters would be in open revolt against Schroeder with the current double-dip recession. We would be chopping off their heads in the US.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            Schroeder winning in Bavaria would be exactly like Bush losing in Texas.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Oerdin
              Schroeder won national office by identifying himself as an anti-American candidate. I can only hope that bastard chokes on his positions and Germany is left in the hands of a more moderate politician.
              lol ...
              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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              • #8
                Laugh all you want but the truth remains. Schroeder was behind in the polls before he came out with his anti-American policies.
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                • #9
                  "What does this portend for the German national elections in 2006? Is Schroeder doomed?"

                  Very little. It confirms the national polls where his party is in deep ****, but it's still 3 years to go.

                  "Can he fight his way out of this ever-deepening pit?"

                  That's possible if the economy turns around and he gets further reforms going. Although the more relevant question is, can the CDU/CSU fight their way to another defeat? You bet they can.

                  "Will Americans ever consistantly spell his name correctly?"

                  Own goal.
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #10
                    I grant Oerdin this one, he was behind in the polls and won by a campaign opposing the American warmongering. The vast majority of our population supported this. I don't see why it is a bad thing promising (and then keeping the promise!) what the majority of the population wants. I can't say I'm unhappy with Schroeders foreign policy. It may be performed arkwardly sometimes, but the general direction is ok. His domestic policy sucks, though.

                    But what all this has to do with the election of the Bavarian parliament, remains a mystery.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      I thought that the German voters would be in open revolt against Schroeder with the current double-dip recession. We would be chopping off their heads in the US.
                      European voters don't vote based solely on the business cycle. I find it funny when the nanny state is held responsible for giving everyone a job.
                      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Oerdin
                        Laugh all you want but the truth remains. Schroeder was behind in the polls before he came out with his anti-American policies.
                        Do you want a surrender monkey with that whine?
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #13
                          No, but it appears you do surrender Dyl.
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                          • #14
                            Maybe cause I like France.
                            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                            • #15
                              Dyl: Do you honestly contest that Schroeder was not behind in the polls before he began his anti-American rants? It's pretty clear he moved into the lead upon his anti-Bush/American positions.
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