Eco-terrorism

[Whaleboy]

Just as if you agree with an organizations goals it's "apolitical" and "unbiased"?

Firstly, I don't much agree with their goals because they are too small-scale and too pragmatic. We need a more dynamic and wide scale solution that permeates the way we actually think. Failing that, terraforming!

I don't think theyre apolitical, or or unbiased of course, I think theyre not necessarily leftist or rightist. I also think that petty criminals, whatever their motivations is not necessarily terrorism. Terrorism is the principle of causing terror among the populus, not the FBI's definition of crime with a political motivation. The latter definition is oblique and unusable, as we all have an individual politic that is most likely the motivation behind any number of crimes. Was Robin Hood a terrorist or just a petty thug? A petty thug of course, in other words, Kevin Costner! . Indeed, the actual political motivation is irrelevant to whether a crime is terrorism or not. Needless to say, political convenience can get in the way of that.

[Whaleboy]

Is it just me, or are there a lot of Oerdin threads around these days? There was at least 3 on the front page and another 6/7 on the second...

Now I'm scared...

[MichaeltheGreat]

I hadn't noticed, but I'm sure he's at or below the two per day limit, even if he was a REMF.

[Whaleboy]

REMF?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Oerdin will know.

[Ted Striker]

To answer your questions they are neither terrorists nor freedom fighters

They are LOSERS

[Nubclear]

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Oerdin will know.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by elijah
Is it just me, or are there a lot of Oerdin threads around these days? There was at least 3 on the front page and another 6/7 on the second...

Now I'm scared...

BTW I got bored and hunted down a few of my old threads and just continued the discussion. I don't believe I actually made more then two threads in a 24 hour period.

[Dinner]

CNN is now carrying this story.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/09/20/ca.construction.fire.ap/index.html

[Dis]

Re: Eco-terrorism

Originally posted by Oerdin
The Earth Liberation Front (ELF) is a radical leftist enviromental group who opposes any new construction by humans and who engages in arson and vandalism. In the last two years ELF has set fire to construction sites and recreational facities (such as a Sky Chalet in Wyoming) doing more then $100 million dollars in damages and the FBI has named ELF an Eco-terrorist organization. Why do I care? Because it seems there is an active ELF cell right here in San Diego where I live.

Last night ELF set fire to six homes on two different construction sites in the San Diego area. This is on top of an August fire at a San Diego apartment complex under construction that caused $50 million in damage.
This morning's damage could have been much worse except and we're lucky that nearby residents saw the fires right after they were set and called the Fire Department.

So what is your take on this? Is ELF a terror organization or are they just valient protectors of the natural world? Is arson and vandalism justified or should we toss these fools in the slammer and throw away the key?

so did they prove that eco-terrorists are behind the apartment fires?

We have quite a few fires in Las Vegas of under devlopment sites. My city always has homes and apartments under construction everywhere.

We recently had a huge apartment complex go up in flames. Quite a sight that was.

I always blamed them on people who are against growth. I never thought eco-terrorists were responsible. I always figured it was some old coots who didn't like our nice little town turning into huge metropolis full of crime and minorities (the arsonists might be racists- I can't say)

[Dis]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Ok, I can understand why these guys would want to burn ski lodges because they don't like people going into the woods and bothering all of the little furry creatures, I can also understand during down car dealerships which sell SUVs, I can even follow their twisted logic why they'd want burn down condos and houses since they're against urban sprawl (though the $50 million dollar condos they burned down two months ago in San Diego was a redevelopment project which didn't develop any new land). The one thing which I don't understand is why they'd burn down a US Navy recruiting center.

How does that help furry little animals? Never the less earlier this year ELF claimed responsibility for burning down a Navy recruiting center in Montgomery, Alabama and for spray painting anti war slogans upon cars and nearby businesses. I can only think that these nutjobs are just idiot fringe leftists who like to burn things.

navy uses sea lions and dolphins. some of those whackos might be upset at that

[Whaleboy]

BTW I got bored and hunted down a few of my old threads and just continued the discussion. I don't believe I actually made more then two threads in a 24 hour period

Bumping en masse! Sounds like a plan

To answer your questions they are neither terrorists nor freedom fighters

They are LOSERS

Objectively, yes!

No matter how valid or potent the cause, I don't think that any ideology or opinion is worth violent expression. The problem for them as well is that they can turn people away from what they are supporting.

Lots of people won't take anti-capitalist protesters seriously, merely on the grounds that they smash stuff up (not that some of their views are ridiculous). Still, I personally don't link the two, I wont let the actions of a few fools taint an ideology, I'll examine it merely on those grounds. The anti-caps have many good points and I won't stop listening to them because of the violence of some believers.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It goes well with the idiocy of the statement I was refering to.

You've yet to state any meaningful reason why.

Again, total hot air with no susbstance.

[DinoDoc]

Pot meet kettle.