Report: US is #1 in School Spending

[Nubclear]

Read below.

[Japher]

Covering your ass for all us ignorant Americans who would jump all over you for saying they're ignorant (a.k.a stupid - to ignorant Americans)...

I do agree that it is a cultrue problem though, yet I would attribute more towards greed/money than towards ignorance.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Japher
I do agree that it is a cultrue problem though, yet I would attribute more towards greed/money than towards ignorance.

Nono, I'm saying the culture problem CAUSES ignorance, not the other way around.

[Japher]

Good point.

[chequita guevara]

Do these numbers take into account the cost of living differences and pay scale differences?

[Nubclear]

Sex-Based, Intellectually Satisfied Culture --> Ignorance, essentially.

You can still keep the sex based part. But if our culture promoted intellectualism, I'm pretty sure intellectual levels in America would rise.
Though we must be careful not to go to South Korean levels. I hear they beat their students for getting lower than a perfect (or near-perfect) score

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Solution: Crush the teachers' unions which . . .

. . . causes teachers to quit and new teachers not to bother. Teachers have a right to make a living and work in a decent work place just like everyone else.

[Dinner]

Dispite the propoganda the teachers get paid very, very well for someone who gets 12 weeks of vacation per year.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Dispite the propoganda the teachers get paid very, very well for someone who gets 12 weeks of vacation per year.

Unfortunately, they don't get paid very well for when their not on vacation.

[Dinner]

Here is a good link for the school districts in San Diego county where I am currently moving back to. They make an average of $50k per year, have 12 weeks of vacation, and work 6 hour days. Even if you include 2 hours per day for grading papers you still are only at a regular 8 hour work day with a vacation rate six times the national average.

Top off with the fact that most teachers get degrees in the easy non-science displines and you see why the teachers are really over paid and not under paid.

Countywide, the average teacher salary in a high-school district was $55,097. The average salary in a unified-school district was $51,793 and the average salary in an elementary-school district was $51,015. While teachers did make less money than computer engineers and optometrists, they made as much or more than many other professional workers in San Diego. For example, biological scientists made $52,300, less than the average high-school-district teacher. Those making less than the average K–12 teacher include management analysts at $50,797, chemists at $49,122, registered nurses at $46,481, accountants and auditors at $42,774, and postsecondary math teachers at $49,426.

[monolith94]

I say we spend more.

[Japher]

my brother-in-law is a teacher, and he works summers for the forrest services and does very well...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by monolith94
I say we spend more.

I say we should get more value for our money before spending more.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Here is a good link for the school districts in San Diego county where I am currently moving back to. They make an average of $50k per year, have 12 weeks of vacation, and work 6 hour days. Even if you include 2 hours per day for grading papers you still are only at a regular 8 hour work day with a vacation rate six times the national average.

Top off with the fact that most teachers get degrees in the easy non-science displines and you see why the teachers are really over paid and not under paid.

Maybe one of the reasons they pay more is because not everybody wants to be a teacher, so they need to raise wages to attract more.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by monolith94
I say we spend more.

I say we spend the same and cut the over head formed of civil servants so more of the money goes to kids and not buerocrates. I was listening to UC Regant Ward Connorly last night on public access and the more I listened to him the more his current state proposition made sense. For those of you who don't know Ward Connorly is a black-American (he hates the term African-American since he's never been to Africa) who wrote and then got the anti-Affirmative Action proposition passed a few years back. His main point is that basing aid upon a persons race is racist and immoral and we should be basing our aid upon people's economic status and not their race.

Any way Ward has writen another proposition where it would outlaw the state from collecting race based satistics. The federal government would still stay in the race satistics business so no real data would be lost but the state would free alot of resources which could instead be used to help disadvantage kids based upon economic need and not race. Connorly said that LA Unified spends a whoppinh 12% of it's annual budget collecting racial data, analysising it, coming up with elaborate AA schemes, and the whole time test scores haven't risen. 20 years of this junk is long enough and by killing the collection of racial data by the state we kill the reason for the racial beurocrates to exist; thus we can eliminate that over head and spend that 12% on students instead of giving it to racial "advicates" who never produce results.